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Harris campaign is no different
Show me where she says "the black jobs".
It wasn't what she said it's how she said it, while cackling I'm sure.
In no way are they the same pal, just the usual whataboutisms.
You're right of course.
They clearly both have the same thought process lurking behind the three-word Freudian slip and that detailed pamphlet.
It’s the whole soft bigotry of low expectations thing. It assumes certain people (almost always black people) are capable of less because of their race or background, and are in need of special help and guidance in life. In other words, it’s a kind of patronizing attitude cloaked as kindness
nah, that was hillary's whole campaign. dangerous donald, first woman. speeches and ads.
harris' ads are more issue-based supposedly.
Might change when all is said and done, but good to see nevertheless:
Equating everyone to having the same starting point is very disingenuous and is in keeping with the whole "pull yourself up by the bootstrap" conservative nonsense. Black men in america face a huge amount of disadvantages in american society. If you want to say otherwise then there's no point in even bothering to have this conversation. And many of those disadvantages are rooted in the history of why american society has gotten to the point where it is now. Sure, many of them have managed to succeed in spite of the disadvantages currently present, but there are many more that need help, and initiatives that help this group that are very much in need of help, because of the history of the country and what they did to these people, can only be a good thing in my opinion.
Can you show me in that list where that is?
Sure. I don't say everything is wrong and I suspect that in europe, neutrality is more enforced than in US, extremist evangelist types in Spain, a fairly religious country in europe doesn't exist or they are hidden in the evanglist vanilla style and hold no power
I myself had been educated in religious schools from 2 to 18 years old. Even a stint in a boarding school from 9 to 13. This stint was in a very well known institution in the region and all the monks that took care of us were great, highly educated (above, any religion institution, society and I dare say, schools) with mix secular educators. Good people. But they had dark areas too, not with the students but among themselves. One educator, my favourite one, a joy of a young guy that ended having a lot of responsibilities in the institution (this particular abbey is very powerful in terms of money and influence in all catalonia, historically, culturally and economically) and he got shunned because he was homosexual and ended committing suicide. Another educator ended leaving too for other unfair reasons
The other institution was a school run by nuns. 2 years to 9 and 13 to 18. They shoved us religion here an there, and some of the secular they were full fascist as they came in the institution during Franco fascist dictatorship that was fully entrenched with catholicism. Nothing crazy but a constant dripping of religion. Luckily, they own it but is not run by them anymore.
On the hospitals in my city most of them were owned by religion institutions. I was born in one of them and I had been going most of the time to another one that is the biggest and most well founded hospital in the region. Luckily religion is only in its name as is publicly own
As much as they can be good, as you mention, it should be out of it for obvious reasons. Religion should be out of education because is an excellent opportunity for them to shove their dogmas for years. Are you religious and you want that for your kid? fine, pay full private education without public money. Each their own. As much religious educators might be fine, religion can bring the worse in someone and they will not kick him out like a public educator but the opposite, they will protect him/her
Religion in health care can be dangerous as we are talking about playing with your life. If they know how or they are force to stay away of the medical part it can become just a small nuisance like it happened to you. Oh well. But if it can become a danger on your life as it seems it could be on the case describe, then is worrisome
And again, the more out of the education and health care they are, is not because they choose to, but because the government force them out. Religion shouldn't exist in any public institution and only on the sectarian world that anyone chose to live in without affecting others
Great post. Pointing out specifically what policy provisions you have towards Black Men specifically and how your campaign plans to raise them up and empower their lives is in no way comparable to Trumps blatant racism. I worked hard for my Black job and I am realistic that I make a very good salary. I didn't have generational wealth or counted on anyone other than my parents to start.
Kamala is just pointing out that she isnt taking for granted that she will get the lions share of the Black vote. And that she wants to earn it by pointing out specific inititives that can be beneficial. That is not to say that it is above and beyond what anyone else gets. But she's not belittling anyone.
I’ve got money on Harris winning but there have been a good amount of bizarre Clinton 2016 moments from the Harris campaign.
Have to wait until the end of the election but if she loses I can see endless articles about how awful the campaign strategy was.
Definitely the MSG so close to the election day could be a decisive factor because PR and other latino communities
Yup.
That post very much reeked of the "I don't see race" "All lives matter" kind of vibe
I really hope I get an answer to my question.
My post was providing explanation for something that Sweet Square may have been hinting at.
In direct response to you though…I suppose it’s the mere fact that there is such a list in the first place. Does one exist for other groups?
If Marjorie Taylor Greene said Republicans will protect cryptocurrency and give opportunity to sell weed in order to help black Americans then most on here would correctly see that as racist.
We are nearing the end of the election which is when imo supporters tend to peak and lose it a bit.
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This is the state being called before Milwaukee drops territory, if true. Also means Dems will most likely gain house seats and flip at least one state legislative chamber.
And this was tease yesterday, has Brown +2 as well, which would be reasonable if top line is this close
Harris campaign is no different
Yikes. Still, there is a difference between something that is policy based, and lying about having something in your purse to desperately try to endear yourself to a black audience.
I don’t post that much on this thread or others in the Current Events section (because they’re just not balanced or representative…making debate kind of pointless), but yeah I definitely get that vibe.
In 2022, it was more like R +59. I think he corrected that further down in the thread. The Dem numbers also dropped, while Ind numbers went up, but Independents in rural areas would likely lean more Republican?
That's really not good enough. Come on man. Why don't you go and answer your own question? I'm going to guess that there will indeed be lists like that for other marginalised communities if you go look.
For those interested in a really detailed article that frames why I am so positive about WI, give this a look. Warning: It is long, but it's a good read.
Harris campaign is no different
I had to look this up to make sure it is fir real. Protect cryptocurrency investments, seriously? Feck no. That’s sponsoring gambling.
Oh, ok. I didn’t see the correction. The Others in rural areas will probably be more republicans.
For context: these two Wisconsin counties were Trump +21 and Trump +12, respectively. If he loses that much support in these counties, he’s in trouble.
Trump has pretty much exhausted all the support that he can get in rural areas. The Democrats can still grow in the suburbs (and they of course need to keep the big lead in the cities).
Why is Georgia seeing a positive republican firewall in EV? With a heavy black population and record turnout from women, KH should be heavily favoured?
Is Musk pulling these numbers out of his ass?
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Just a guess, but 2020 should be seen as an extreme outlier for voting patterns. Between COVID and Trump's hard core attack on early/mail voting I think that how people voted in 2020 should not be the benchmark.
PA seems to hit 400k firewall or whatever for Dems today.
Isn't it just that in 2020 Trump told his supporters not to vote early?
What can be inferred is a higher turnout from white women in Georgia. Any indication of where these votes are coming from? Traditional trump counties?
And hes pulling them outta his ass, GA and WI don't report by registration. That looks like a modeled spreadsheet from campaign/PAC source. Even the NV number is wrong or out of date, we know they lead statewide by about 42k going off regs.
Georgia doesn’t report results by party affiliation.
Women lead there:
| Gender | Total Voted | Percent |
|---|---|---|
| Female | 2,227,496 | 55.6 % |
| Male | 1,742,457 | 43.5 % |
No way Trump is ahead in the EV.
Also this
Relative to 2020 overall vote or early vote? Looks to me the latter.
It's a misrepresentation.
A lot of those counties lost population, so even if they maintain the same amount of raw votes they did in 20, that will show up as a % increase.
The overall higher turnout in percentage term in GOP friendly rural counties are true, but it's really just them cannibalizing their EDay voters from 2020. Overall white share of the EVs in GA is 58.1%, among those who voted in EDay 2020 who switched to EV this time, it's 66% white.
He is claiming that things look good for Trump due to:
- Higher EV turnout from 2020 Trump counties
- Lower EV turnout from Black men in core dem counties; Dekalb, Fulton etc.
It appears that higher turnout from Trump counties is coming from white women? If thats true, where would those likely be going?
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