His current job might be a human vodka bottle.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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She's the Republicans' Democrat, really. As in, Republicans tend to say that she's the Democrats' best potential candidate but actual Democrats don't really like her.
Georgia data weirdness on Fox News: Fulton County GA is reporting 0% in but tallied 439,351 votes.
Which is it?
Which is it?
How is that disgusting ? It's just a fact.
Yes, he can win by taking just one of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, if he maintains Nevada and Arizona and takes Georgia.
Still holding out some hope for Wisconsin.
Ap called Arizona I thought.
Found your problem
Hasn’t moved off of 74% reporting for a long time.
Just by checking the news I was sure that Biden was winning but this thread seems convinced of Trump's victory? What's the story?
But it would seem that a vast number of Americans either dont agree with you on the definitions of those traits or find them problematic in a President.
And not understanding this is has cost the Democrats in 2016 and right now.
BTW why by all accounts Biden is viewed to win GA rather than NC? Same turnout basically with same time left, yet the NC deficit is less?
It's the latter. It's at 80% reporting.
Another day to wake up and feel shit.
UK 'experts' seem to think Trump will make it.
Are there that many gun loving, yeehah, 4x4 driving voters in the US?
Doh!
UK 'experts' seem to think Trump will make it.
Are there that many gun loving, yeehah, 4x4 driving voters in the US?
Doh!
Not everyone is open, respectful of other people choices/realities and unassuming as you. Not even a racist/sexist black woman that voted for Trump.
btw, you are not a racist, or a sexist, but you hate groups of people for not having your same vision.
Trump, hasn’t Won yet, and i hope he doesn’t, but if he does -without cheating, of course-, well, that’s democracy for you.
Where do you get these data from?
I think that's more true for the UK. Democrats have won more of their fair share of elections in America compared to Labour over here. Tories win by default and Labour needs to be exceptional to win. Just look at the incompetent, lying shower of bastards at the helm here and they poll at 40% no matter what they say or do.
Seems anyone’s call at the moment, will drag on for a bit I think.
Yep I agree without covid, Trump would have walked this.
Not over yet though. Still think Biden will do it, even without PA.
I think we all understand that a significant number don't find these things problematic. I'm just not sure what you can do about it. Trump supporters are not particularly interested in policy; they clearly don't have qualms about the dear leader's character. How do you convince people who love Trump precisely because he sticks it to the Democrats? You don't.
That's something that I have figured for myself before I opened this thread
As someone who was born & brought up in India and now lives in the UK, I have now seen over the last few years India , UK and USA elect & then re elect right wing egolomaniacs as leaders of the country despite their horrendous personal records. During these elections the opposition has put multiple different kinds of candidates going from a youngish guy in India to a woman in Hillary to Corbyn & now Biden .
What's funny is that after every election a section of people who voted for these right wing guys come out & say that they voted only because the opposition candidate wasn't right. I can assure you that these people would never vote for the other side irrespective of who the candidate is and this is just the easiest excuse to justify your own vote . The problem is in the voter imo and I don't think Biden/Bernie or anyone makes a major difference
What's funny is that after every election a section of people who voted for these right wing guys come out & say that they voted only because the opposition candidate wasn't right. I can assure you that these people would never vote for the other side irrespective of who the candidate is and this is just the easiest excuse to justify your own vote . The problem is in the voter imo and I don't think Biden/Bernie or anyone makes a major difference
I'm taking his potential re-election a bit better than before, its sort of better knowing what to expect. Maybe its just being numb now.
But I'm still chanting "mail ballots still to be counted" like Bart Simpson saying "krusty is coming" at kamp krusty.
But I'm still chanting "mail ballots still to be counted" like Bart Simpson saying "krusty is coming" at kamp krusty.
The only thing more 2020 than Trump winning outright is Biden squeaking a win and trump stealing it via the SC with ACB casting the deciding vote.
Just consider what Trump has done in 2020 alone. All the scandals that surfaced, the covid disaster, his reactions to the George Floyd protests. Every single one of those incidents should be enough to not vote him if your choice is based on facts. They weren't convinced by facts or well reasoned arguments so why do you think they could be converted by speaking more reasonable to them? Their choice is an indication of what type of "arguments" worked for them. I think at this point it's delusional to think that you could achieve anything by just politely talking sense to them. If you want to convince them, you have to play dirty because that's what they appeal to. The question is if you are willing to go down that route of recklessly manipulating the shit out of less educated people. I wouldn't, but Trump sure as hell does and gets away with it.
Fox News election division is actually pretty good, their decision desk called Arizona early for Biden as well.
Most likely an error.
Contrary to the doom and gloom here, PA is much more robust, 1.3m of the 1.8m left are from D heavy area (Biden up 4:1 with mail atm), the other 500k from R area but given that they are mails, would most likely have more D than current county result)
The area left in GA are much more favourable than the ones in NC.
I don't think the caf is in a bubble. We are mostly left leaning but have a good grasp of the wider world. I work in an investment bank so you can imagine the thought process of most of the people I relate with.
America is a unique basket case. A country like no other.
No other country has politics as ingrained into into the cultural identity of if citizens quite like the US. It makes for deep political division like no other country experiences. The EC means one side is at a permanent disadvantage. It is not a bubble I think the caf is well aware of what motivates the other side. We just don't agree.
Oh give this bullshit up.
Man 1: “I hate black people and gays”
Man 2: “Man 1 is a horrible bigot and I hate him for it”
Man 3: “Wow Man 2 is just as hateful and ignorant as Man 1!”
Seriously just feck off.
Because any rational person can tell you that what’s good for the collective is usually better for the individuals anyway. Also should we not be expected to have a little human decency for those less well off than ourselves? I do agree though, the downfall of democracy is the innate human instinct to be selfish.
Yeah should he win it's not as much of a shock as it was first time around. It's more of a confirmation of what many have thought anyway.
See I disagree with that, too. The US is polarised enough that walking an election is no longer possible. He barely won it against a historically unpopular candidate in Hillary Clinton.
I think we'd have had a similarly tight election even without COVID. The virus itself was and is a political issue in the US: attitudes towards it is very much predicted by party affiliation.
I was more referring g to they have had other issues tonight with data accuracy.
The fact Turtle and Graham held.their seats is as depressing as it gets.
Really should have seen this all coming. 2020 is the year equivalent of Trump. It hasn't once hid who it is and we shouldn't have been surprised at all. Feck, Trump himself has told us this was his plan for the last year or so. He's set this voter fraud shit up and we have all commented on him contesting the results and not leaving graciously or quietly.
Once again I let myself get carried away with hope in thinking the better of people. Trump, the Tories and Brexit plus 2020 should have taught me better.
I must have known deep down though as I stopped myself putting a bet on Biden yesterday.
Still, doesn't make it any less depressing. Now I have to go and open up for one last day of trading before closing my pub again for at least another month.
feck 2020 and feck Trump.
Really should have seen this all coming. 2020 is the year equivalent of Trump. It hasn't once hid who it is and we shouldn't have been surprised at all. Feck, Trump himself has told us this was his plan for the last year or so. He's set this voter fraud shit up and we have all commented on him contesting the results and not leaving graciously or quietly.
Once again I let myself get carried away with hope in thinking the better of people. Trump, the Tories and Brexit plus 2020 should have taught me better.
I must have known deep down though as I stopped myself putting a bet on Biden yesterday.
Still, doesn't make it any less depressing. Now I have to go and open up for one last day of trading before closing my pub again for at least another month.
feck 2020 and feck Trump.
Couldn’t agree more.
Social media has tilted the world in favour of right wing politics. As long as Zuckerberg and Dorsey let the Neo Nazis, Conspiracy nuts and Qanon run amok on their platforms every major democracy will keep voting right.
On a side note it baffles me how polls continue to underestimate the 'shy tory' factor which is just as prevalent in US elections with the Republican vote. It's an interesting phenomenon in its own right but pollsters need to account for it better. It seems to happen every time and get our hopes up, only to be crushed come the actual result.
No SC expansion either now that McTurtle is back leading the Senate. The implications of that...
Michigan 79%. Trump 52%>done?
Georgia 94%. 100k votes in it, Trump leading.
I wonder if America will ever look at how states can be 51/49 and there's no proportionality in how that transfers to the outcome.
I know UK is similar but with over 600 constituencies (and each only being worth 1), its far less of an impact
I think I can probably fill up a page writing all the insane things Trump has done in his four years in office, yet a large number of Americans have no problem voting for him. If being a racist, sexist with dictator like behavior is OK, then what else is OK? I'm sure we'll find out the answer to this soon as I'm sure Trump will be even more unhinged if he wins.
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