2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Heres my stupid theory. The sheer amount of movies, tv shows etc that are about corruption as a whole has desensitised the public to real life matters. Theyre meant to be corrupt, out for themselves etc. Its called playing politics and thats what its supposed to be. The same way people racially profile others, this is the politician version. The same way all lawyers arent to be trusted etc
I honestly think Trump would come close to reelection if it were found out he killed a camaign manager years ago.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
As someone who was born & brought up in India and now lives in the UK, I have now seen over the last few years India , UK and USA elect & then re elect right wing egolomaniacs as leaders of the country despite their horrendous personal records. During these elections the opposition has put multiple different kinds of candidates going from a youngish guy in India to a woman in Hillary to Corbyn & now Biden .

What's funny is that after every election a section of people who voted for these right wing guys come out & say that they voted only because the opposition candidate wasn't right. I can assure you that these people would never vote for the other side irrespective of who the candidate is and this is just the easiest excuse to justify your own vote . The problem is in the voter imo and I don't think Biden/Bernie or anyone makes a major difference
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Hardly outlandish. When they come up with obama they won, hillary was a big question mark even among democrats.

The DNC underestimated trump not once but twice they'd think anyone but trump would walk it. They even had the gall to pick a vanity vp to appease the minorities whilst not even winning the majority.

Once bitten twice shy. At worst their too inept to gauge their own situation. Trump knew he had a slim chance and pounds on it, biden thought he won by a landslide and took his pedal of the gas.
 
Pexbo said:
Oh give this bullshit up.

Man 1: “I hate black people and gays”
Man 2: “Man 1 is a horrible bigot and I hate him for it”

Man 3: “Wow Man 2 is just as hateful and ignorant as Man 1!”


Seriously just feck off.
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Yup, you'll just get the "intolerant left"-spiel thrown at you. As if it's somehow bad being intolerant of intolerance.
 
Zehner said:
How can anyone that supports Trump not be racist/sexism/etc. or be okay with racism/sexism/etc.? You know, if they wouldn't they wouldn't vote him. It's an easy computation, really.
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I assume everyone who voted for Biden is also ok with sexism then, because he has a history of it? I never realised that a vote for either candidate was also ringing endorsement of all their character flaws.
 
Suv666 said:
Social media has tilted the world in favour of right wing politics. As long as Zuckerberg and Dorsey let the Neo Nazis, Conspiracy nuts and Qanon run amok on their platforms every major democracy will keep voting right.
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Sounds more like a serious educational problem than anything else.
 
Zehner said:
Just consider what Trump has done in 2020 alone. All the scandals that surfaced, the covid disaster, his reactions to the George Floyd protests. Every single one of those incidents should be enough to not vote him if your choice is based on facts. They weren't convinced by facts or well reasoned arguments so why do you think they could be converted by speaking more reasonable to them? Their choice is an indication of what type of "arguments" worked for them. I think at this point it's delusional to think that you could achieve anything by just politely talking sense to them. If you want to convince them, you have to play dirty because that's what they appeal to. The question is if you are willing to go down that route of recklessly manipulating the shit out of less educated people. I wouldn't, but Trump sure as hell does and gets away with it.
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You’re still saying ‘they’ and ‘them’, like we are speaking about one uniform body...

Look, I largely agree with you, but there are still people that can be remodelled. That is my point. It doesn’t help to do what Olly did.

I think we are derailing the thread, but let me refer, in closing, to the principle of Hanlon’s razor: “never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity”
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
As someone who was born & brought up in India and now lives in the UK, I have now seen over the last few years India , UK and USA elect & then re elect right wing egolomaniacs as leaders of the country despite their horrendous personal records. During these elections the opposition has put multiple different kinds of candidates going from a youngish guy in India to a woman in Hillary to Corbyn & now Biden .

What's funny is that after every election a section of people who voted for these right wing guys come out & say that they voted only because the opposition candidate wasn't right. I can assure you that these people would never vote for the other side irrespective of who the candidate is and this is just the easiest excuse to justify your own vote . The problem is in the voter imo and I don't think Biden/Bernie or anyone makes a major difference
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Quite strongly disagree here, think it's a bit of a generalisation. I didn't vote Boris last time around but I know I'm not alone in saying I'll be voting Labour next election with Starmer in charge. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Corbyn. Not saying that really applies to Biden however, he's surely not as polarising.
 
justboy68 said:
On a side note it baffles me how polls continue to underestimate the 'shy tory' factor which is just as prevalent in US elections with the Republican vote. It's an interesting phenomenon in its own right but pollsters need to account for it better. It seems to happen every time and get our hopes up, only to be crushed come the actual result.
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If Trump goes on to win again, after every single poll gave him no chance, again, can anyone seriously take pollsters seriously about this anymore?
 
Pexbo said:
Oh give this bullshit up.

Man 1: “I hate black people and gays”
Man 2: “Man 1 is a horrible bigot and I hate him for it”

Man 3: “Wow Man 2 is just as hateful and ignorant as Man 1!”


Seriously just feck off.
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Modern rightewngers/anti sjw brigade/"enlightened' centrists ,or whatever the feck they want to call themselves, in a nutshell.
 
Siorac said:
I don't believe that anyone who is a Trump supporter after the last four years can be convinced by policy talk. That's just not what they're about.

I don't know how well the Biden campaign did in reaching out to independents. I'm very much looking forward to the data about that. But my opinion is that we're in a culture war. It's all over the planet: it's about "owning the libs", it's about "stopping political correctness", it's about "the gay agenda", whatever the feck that is. Policy is now very much secondary to this - people align their policy positions to the candidates who represent them best in this culture struggle and not the other way around.
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Bingo.
The earlier the left recognize this the better it is for all of us.
If someone has declared a culture war against you, you are in one, whether you want it or not. And you have to operate by its rules.
I was arguing in the Westminster thread, Britain is fast heading in the same direction and why I think the Tories will be in power for decades. Our electrical system is even worse at putting the left at a disadvantage than America.
It is spectacular how accurately I can predict a person's entire political belief based on his/her position on wearing a mask.
In this election, there was nothing like independent or undecided voter. A personal might call himself one, but the person is lying to both us and himself.
 
So AP called Arizona for Biden. Apologies as I haven't had a chance to catch up but are there any other states left that are likely to go his way? On the night, anyway.

AND are there any states that look like they could potentially flip after mail in ballots are counted?
 
Pexbo said:
Oh give this bullshit up.

Man 1: “I hate black people and gays”
Man 2: “Man 1 is a horrible bigot and I hate him for it”

Man 3: “Wow Man 2 is just as hateful and ignorant as Man 1!”


Seriously just feck off.
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Pexbo said:
Oh give this bullshit up.

Man 1: “I hate black people and gays”
Man 2: “Man 1 is a horrible bigot and I hate him for it”

Man 3: “Wow Man 2 is just as hateful and ignorant as Man 1!”


Seriously just feck off.
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That’s not what i said. Apparently you think that every Trump voter hates gays and black people. I say that it cant be the case, i’m pretty sure that Trump got some black votes and some of those votes came from black gays.
still, you try to portray every Trump voter as a hater.
And do not insult me.
 
Siorac said:
See I disagree with that, too. The US is polarised enough that walking an election is no longer possible. He barely won it against a historically unpopular candidate in Hillary Clinton.

I think we'd have had a similarly tight election even without COVID. The virus itself was and is a political issue in the US: attitudes towards it is very much predicted by party affiliation.
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I think as the exit poll showed, if the economy was the primary issue for Americans, then he would've found it easier to 'sell' his vision for 2020 beyond.

It's not a popularity contest which also favours him.
 
Adisa said:
Bingo.
The earlier the left recognize this the better it is for all of us.
If someone has declared a culture war against you, you are in one, whether you want it or not. And you have to operate by its rules.
I was arguing in the Westminster thread, Britain is fast heading in the same direction and why I think the Tories will be in power for decades. Our electrical system is even worse at putting the left at a disadvantage than America.
It is spectacular how accurately I can predict a person's entire political belief based on his/her position on wearing a mask.
In this election, there was nothing like independent or undecided voter. A personal might call himself one, but the person is lying to both us and himself.
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:lol: sorry, had to laugh there.

But I agree. It's the same in Hungary! Predictably, our government is openly rooting for Trump (part of the reason why I desperately want him to lose) and again, you can predict political positions based on their attitude to the virus. It's incredible.
 
JulesWinnfield said:
There's no true victory at this point. Even if Biden does snatch a very unlikely win from the postal votes its going to cause such an almighty shit storm it will run and run and likely dog his entire presidency for the next 4 years till the Republicans come back with avengence. That's even if they manage to swing it on the postal votes and some shenangians aren't used to discount them.

Of course more likely if Trump will just shade it with the postal votes anyway and the country will be even more divided that 4 years ago. The only safe route out of this election was a sound defeat for Trump settled on the day. Trump has shown Trumpian politics are a resounding success for Republicans, this is the tactic all the way down from here on in. Trump will be the benchmark for Republican candidates going forward. Certainly their next candidate will almost certainly be his pick.
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For the second election in a row Americans have shown their true nature. Not all of them, but a significant amount. And if the ones that aren’t okay with people like Trump are focused to a few bigger cities and more educated states, then it’s arguable that the support Trump gets is more representative of the country as a whole.
 
Badunk said:
I think that's more true for the UK. Democrats have won more of their fair share of elections in America compared to Labour over here. Tories win by default and Labour needs to be exceptional to win. Just look at the incompetent, lying shower of bastards at the helm here and they poll at 40% no matter what they say or do.
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Look at my post a minutes ago. We are in a worse situation.
 
Pexbo said:
Oh give this bullshit up.

Man 1: “I hate black people and gays”
Man 2: “Man 1 is a horrible bigot and I hate him for it”

Man 3: “Wow Man 2 is just as hateful and ignorant as Man 1!”


Seriously just feck off.
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Thank you!
 
America should have had more faith in Kanye
 
Marcosdeto said:
That’s not what i said. Apparently you think that every Trump voter hates gays and black people. I say that it cant be the case, i’m pretty sure that Trump got some black votes and some of those votes came from black gays.
still, you try to portray every Trump voter as a hater.
And do not insult me.
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Bruh Trump literally wanted to make it okay for employers to discriminate based on sexuality. Its not a huge leap of faith to assume most Trump voters are homophobic.
 
I dont see how Biden wins from here. Mr Trump is the winner.

The only question is will he claim fraud on himself?
 
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