2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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owlo said:
Haha I was simply pointing out, that line of attack works. (Ps. I assume you don't believe that the historical facts are bullshit, rather the weaponisation of them by the current GOP.)

2 points:

1. It doesn't matter anyway. I've posted about this [and similar demographics in MS] - There are too many white people there for it to flip. (yes, the dems are pouring money in and though unlikely he might even lose the senate seat, but the EC is going trump)
2. Graham is obviously an hyocrit and there's plenty to attack him for. Him using a standard GOP attack line about the south isn't really one of them.
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Sure sure, historical facts ignoring the context that the Democratic Party was the party of conservatives in the United States during the time frame you are talking about.

And I couldn’t put it any better than @GiddyUp did in explaining why I am concerned about what I heard the senior senator from the state I live in say on television.
 
Anyone watching Trump at his rally at the White House right now? He's terrible. He's basically reading right off a piece of paper, the only thing he can ad-lib is the classic Trumpisms of saying "isn't that great, they say it's the greatest ever, we're doing great things". He also called Democrats communists, so that's normal.

Every time he pauses for applause, it sounds like there's a serial killer loose in the background.
 
"We just got a great poll in Georgia, it's looking fantastic".

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GiddyUp said:
It's not being a prat. It's extremely dangerous rhetoric from a sitting US Senator. He is saying you will only be accepted in his state if people like him say so.
Insinuating things like this makes these people send pipe bombs to the democratic leadership, plan to kidnap a sitting governor while the local sheriff says it's ok because it's a justifiable arrest, introducing legislation that allows you to murder people with your vehicle if they protest, shoot women's health professionals in front of their families in church and on and on and on.
So I disagree that he is just being a prat. They are extremists that are ready to endorse terrorists acts just to stay in power.
Only a few weeks ago these people drove through a town in their trucks shooting at peacefully protesters with paintball guns. They are on a slippery slope and thoroughly enjoying the ride.
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Carolina Red said:
Sure sure, historical facts ignoring the context that the Democratic Party was the party of conservatives in the United States during the time frame you are talking about.

And I couldn’t put it any better than @GiddyUp did in explaining why I am concerned about what I heard the senior senator from the state I live in say on television.
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You guys make good arguments. It's very easy for me to sit thousands of miles away making judgments on this and that on the basis I know the players academically/electorally without considering the impact they might have on actual people on the ground. I don't feel he's an extremist in my sense of the word, because it's simply nonsensical to me to imagine he thinks of anybody but himself and clumsily uses gop tropes and lines to further that end.

Through my lens, Graham is a prat that is likely a moderate at best and totally soulless at worst. He said himself about his flip flopping 'its about staying relevant.' Furthermore, I tend to think/believe that more people see him this way, and the primary reason he's going to get reelected is because republicans are too lazy to split their ticket in general, so will headline trump and vote graham in as a side effect. I've also seen no large following who heed his words.

This probably isn't true if you actually live in SC though, so apologies...
 
The GA Senate races are far more interesting than the Trump/Biden matchup there. Warnock has a very good chance of winning and Ossoff seems to be with striking distance as well.
 
Raoul said:
The GA Senate races are far more interesting than the Trump/Biden matchup there. Warnock has a very good chance of winning and Ossoff seems to be with striking distance as well.
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Warnock should win in my opinion yes. Not sure about Ossoff - there's quite a lot of noise in the data over the last week or so but the swing in the senate doesn't seem as strong as it could be. (read: it's chaos)

That said, the Trump/Biden matchup matters a lot to the senate seats, especially the Ossoff one (due to the fact people usually dont do split ballots). If it's this close on election day he should squeak through, but it's bang in the margin of errors. If trump wins by say 2-3 points, I don't see an Ossoff win.
 
owlo said:
Warnock should win in my opinion yes. Not sure about Ossoff - there's quite a lot of noise in the data over the last week or so but the swing in the senate doesn't seem as strong as it could be. (read: it's chaos)

That said, the Trump/Biden matchup matters a lot to the senate seats, especially the Ossoff one (due to the fact people usually dont do split ballots). If it's this close on election day he should squeak through, but it's bang in the margin of errors. If trump wins by say 2-3 points, I don't see an Ossoff win.
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Agreed. If Biden has high turnout in GA then Ossoff has a chance imo. If its moderate then probably not.

Everything over the next three plus weeks is a turn out / voter enthusiasm game.
 
owlo said:
You guys make good arguments. It's very easy for me to sit thousands of miles away making judgments on this and that on the basis I know the players academically/electorally without considering the impact they might have on actual people on the ground. I don't feel he's an extremist in my sense of the word, because it's simply nonsensical to me to imagine he thinks of anybody but himself and clumsily uses gop tropes and lines to further that end.

Through my lens, Graham is a prat that is likely a moderate at best and totally soulless at worst. He said himself about his flip flopping 'its about staying relevant.' Furthermore, I tend to think/believe that more people see him this way, and the primary reason he's going to get reelected is because republicans are too lazy to split their ticket in general, so will headline trump and vote graham in as a side effect. I've also seen no large following who heed his words.

This probably isn't true if you actually live in SC though, so apologies...
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Graham isn’t an extremist. He’s a leech. But he knows that people in South Carolina are, and he knows that minorities who live in S.C. know that there’s people here who are and that it has led to violence (recently Dylan Roof’s shooting). He’s using that knowledge to ”say the quiet part out loud” to score political points within the state and subtly hint that minorities should keep that in mind.
 
owlo said:
You guys make good arguments. It's very easy for me to sit thousands of miles away making judgments on this and that on the basis I know the players academically/electorally without considering the impact they might have on actual people on the ground. I don't feel he's an extremist in my sense of the word, because it's simply nonsensical to me to imagine he thinks of anybody but himself and clumsily uses gop tropes and lines to further that end.

Through my lens, Graham is a prat that is likely a moderate at best and totally soulless at worst. He said himself about his flip flopping 'its about staying relevant.' Furthermore, I tend to think/believe that more people see him this way, and the primary reason he's going to get reelected is because republicans are too lazy to split their ticket in general, so will headline trump and vote graham in as a side effect. I've also seen no large following who heed his words.

This probably isn't true if you actually live in SC though, so apologies...
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No apologies necessary my friend. He is definately prat but unfortunately it's gone very sinister with these guys. You should hear what Lady Graham (rumors in D C. that this is what he likes to be called) was saying about trump during the '16 primaries then to embrace him the way he does. No morals with these guys. Greedy and selfish and practically giddy when they talk about screwing people over.
 
Raoul said:
The GA Senate races are far more interesting than the Trump/Biden matchup there. Warnock has a very good chance of winning and Ossoff seems to be with striking distance as well.
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After everything Kemp has pulled this would be fantastic. I firmly believe that a state's attorney general should not be allowed run for Governor unless they resign from their position at least 6 months before declaring their candidacy. Otherwise you can make the rules up as you go along. Cucinelli tried to do the same against McAuliffe a few years ago but was nowhere near as successful as that guy Kemp, who actually had a campaign ad where he was threatening his daughter's boyfriend with a rifle, what a crazy bastard.
 
GiddyUp said:
No apologies necessary my friend. He is definately prat but unfortunately it's gone very sinister with these guys. You should hear what Lady Graham (rumors in D C. that this is what he likes to be called) was saying about trump during the '16 primaries then to embrace him the way he does. No morals with these guys. Greedy and selfish and practically giddy when they talk about screwing people over.
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Just leaving this here.
 
Raoul said:
Imagine feeling like that, then having to become Trump's political **** for the next four years to win reelection, only to have Trump and his cult lose interest in you along the way.
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Absolutely, the lack on any backbone is stunning. You’ve probably seen it, but the clip where Graham is sitting in a car talking about what a great person Biden is is also something.
 
SirAF said:
Absolutely, the lack on any backbone is stunning. You’ve probably seen it, but the clip where Graham is sitting in a car talking about what a great person Biden is is also something.
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Adding insult to injury, I've heard several Trumpers call Lindsey a RINO, which is quite bizarre given Trump's own history of donating to Dems.
 
SirAF said:


Might as well post that one too!
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Nice one pal. This is why I get annoyed about right wingers talking about the echo chamber on the left. 90% of Republican voters wouldn't know these two videos exist, not that it would change their minds any but still. You gotta know who the person you are voting for is.
His hypocrisy regarding a SC pick during an election year is a sign of a guy that doesn't give a crap.
 
GiddyUp said:
Nice one pal. This is why I get annoyed about right wingers talking about the echo chamber on the left. 90% of Republican voters wouldn't know these two videos exist, not that it would change their minds any but still. You gotta know who the person you are voting for is.
His hypocrisy regarding a SC pick during an election year is a sign of a guy that doesn't give a crap.
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Too fecking true. Folks in SC are too far up Trump’s ass to see past his prostate and watch that video.
 
Raoul said:
Adding insult to injury, I've heard several Trumpers call Lindsey a RINO, which is quite bizarre given Trump's own history of donating to Dems.
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Not bizarre at all if you think about it.
2016-2020 Trump supporters are not relevant to c1990-2010 Trump.

Trump is/was a grifter in NYC. Most of his Democrat donations were to Democrat politicians with whom he could give the minimum to curry a little favor (Hilary, Schumer, and Charlie Rangel) and at the city/state level where it's hardly surprising the owner of Manhattan properties like Trump tower is donating just barely enough to look good to the Cuomos and Eliot Spitzer. His political contributions were minuscule for someone of his wealth. It's not like he was a massive Clinton donor in the 1990s. The tiny amounts of his donations would be like you or I tossing a quarter to some bum.
 
Raoul said:
The GA Senate races are far more interesting than the Trump/Biden matchup there. Warnock has a very good chance of winning and Ossoff seems to be with striking distance as well.
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Even with Matt Lieberman still stubbornly remaining in the race here, Warnock has managed to separate somewhat decently from Loeffler.
 
SirAF said:
Absolutely, the lack on any backbone is stunning. You’ve probably seen it, but the clip where Graham is sitting in a car talking about what a great person Biden is is also something.
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***** love to live in altered realities.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Not bizarre at all if you think about it.
2016-2020 Trump supporters are not relevant to c1990-2010 Trump.

Trump is/was a grifter in NYC. Most of his Democrat donations were to Democrat politicians with whom he could give the minimum curry favor (Hilary, Schumer, and Charlie Rangel) and at the city/state level where it's hardly surprising the owner of Manhattan properties like Trump tower is donating just barely enough to look good to the Cuomos and Eliot Spitzer. His political contributions were minuscule for someone of his wealth. It's not like he was a massive Clinton donor in the 1990s. The tiny amounts of his donations would be like you or I tossing a quarter to some bum.
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Being a NYC grifter is antithetical to the persona he's built up with his cult though - which is as a strong, business man who knows how to get things done and can apply his business acumen to solve the gridlocked riddle of the DC swamp (all not true of course).
 
calodo2003 said:
Even with Matt Lieberman still stubbornly remaining in the race here, Warnock has managed to separate somewhat decently from Loeffler.
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Indeed. I believe he began to separate from the pack after getting an endorsement from Obama. I'm hopeful about Georgia given out strongly Abrams did, and how poorly Kemp has done since taking the job.
 
Raoul said:
Being a NYC grifter is antithetical to the persona he's built up with his cult though - which is as a strong, business man who knows how to get things done and can apply his business acumen to solve the gridlocked riddle of the DC swamp (all not true of course).
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A large portion of his supporters view being a grifter the same as being a "strong, businessman". Giving a little money to politicians when you are a real estate mogul IS getting things done and doing business. Also, I think you misunderstand his supporters. He is doing exactly what they want to do - "own the libs" - not "pass bipartisan legislation".

Or to put it another way - to Raoul's logic are they hypothetical? Absolutely. But they wouldn't care because to their own logic, they are perfectly consistent.
 
Raoul said:
Agreed. If Biden has high turnout in GA then Ossoff has a chance imo. If its moderate then probably not.

Everything over the next three plus weeks is a turn out / voter enthusiasm game.
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I've received two random text messages about Ossoff, QAnon level batshittery types. I deleted the first, replied "feck off" to the second. Probably land lines but anyhow.
 
Carolina Red said:
Graham isn’t an extremist. He’s a leech. But he knows that people in South Carolina are, and he knows that minorities who live in S.C. know that there’s people here who are and that it has led to violence (recently Dylan Roof’s shooting). He’s using that knowledge to ”say the quiet part out loud” to score political points within the state and subtly hint that minorities should keep that in mind.
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So he's condoning racism and violence to remain in power? What a prick.
 
GlastonSpur said:
True. It's because even the Democrat Party sits to the political right of most European 'Conservative' (or similar) mainstream parties - parties that are considered to be right-of-centre on the conventional left-right spectrum.

Take healthcare as an example. Biden is not in favour of universal and comprehensive free-healthcare for all, paid out of taxation. But the Conservative Party in the UK is in favour of this - or at least feel that they have to be because it's so universally popular.
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Good points
 
Tincanalley said:
Good points
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They really don‘t sit to the right of conservatives at all. This myth probably comes from universal healthcare being the status quo and popular in Europe. It also ignores the huge differences between the US and European countries.
 
Raoul said:
We tend to be liked more when Dems are in charge. The numbers from Dubya to Obama and Obama to Trump are pretty stark.
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Not coercing half the western world into an illegal war which consequences are still being felt kind of helps with popularity.
 
owlo said:
They really don‘t sit to the right of conservatives at all. This myth probably comes from universal healthcare being the status quo and popular in Europe. It also ignores the huge differences between the US and European countries.
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It's not just healthcare. For example, the Dems support private gun ownership, albeit with greater restrictions than the Republicans want. In Europe, hardly any mainstream parties support private gun ownership, except in highly restricted circumstances such as pest control (farmers) or for very limited hunting purposes (e.g. grouse shooting).
 
The Firestarter said:
Not coercing half the western world into an illegal war which consequences are still being felt kind of helps with popularity.
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I don't know about that. Trump hasn't done what Dubya did, and is still incredibly unpopular. It has a lot to do with personality alongside policy.
 
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