2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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The bloody gall of Pence, going on about being unsafe in Bidens America as a 17 year old is running round shooting people with a gun.

Also just seen some Trump supporters praising this convention on social media, my god it’s pathetic. Stick an American flag anywhere and these people think the streets are filled with gold. It really is a cult following.
 
Drifter said:
CBS poll as only 5% of Republicans willing to vote for Biden, 3% less than those who voted for Obama. Dems need to drop this fantasy that there are disgruntled GOP members out there and concentrate on winning over Independents and Progressives.
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Independents tend to be center left or right. Completely different from the progressive block, which is also less in number of voters, younger in age, and less reliable in getting out to vote. Makes sense to go after the more numerous independents, you can't really go after both at this moment in time.
 
sport2793 said:
No he hasn't:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/florida/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/pennsylvania/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/wisconsin/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/arizona/

It just goes to show how many people are misinformed or misled by selective presentation of data.
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What are you on about?
26th July to 26th August:
Florida : Biden's lead has dropped from 7.1 to 5.9
Pennsylvania : Biden's lead has dropped from 6.7 to 5.6
Wisconsin : Biden's lead has dropped from 7.1 to 5.9
Arizona : Biden's lead increased from 3.3 to 3.7

Trump has gained more than 1 point in 3 of those states. I did not mean in each and every one of the battleground states if that's what you're pointing out.
 
Utdfrom2002 said:
What are you on about?
26th July to 26th August:
Florida : Biden's lead has dropped from 7.1 to 5.9
Pennsylvania : Biden's lead has dropped from 6.7 to 5.6
Wisconsin : Biden's lead has dropped from 7.1 to 5.9
Arizona : Biden's lead increased from 3.3 to 3.7

Trump has gained more than 1 point in 3 of those states
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Look at June though where he was at the same level or even higher compared to now. June was also part of the COVID lockdown phase and many people by this point in time were already blaming Trump for his handling of the pandemic. You have to look at the overall trend with time.

EDIT: Furthermore, there is a larger sample size of polls now. I would argue that the current numbers better reflect what the actual percentage has been the entire time rather than seeing a 1 point increase as a statistically significant finding. I doubt Biden was ever truly up by 7 points in Florida, Pennsylvania, or Wisconsin, the distribution of voters just doesn't support that.
 
sport2793 said:
Look at June though where he was at the same level or even higher compared to now. June was also part of the COVID lockdown phase and many people by this point in time were already blaming Trump for his handling of the pandemic. You have to look at the overall trend with time.

EDIT: Furthermore, there is a larger sample size of polls now. I would argue that the current numbers better reflect what the actual percentage has been the entire time rather than seeing a 1 point increase as a statistically significant finding. I doubt Biden was ever truly up by 7 points in Florida, Pennsylvania, or Wisconsin, the distribution of voters just doesn't support that.
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Oh alright. Yeah I was not going on the whole trend but was just focusing on the last month because Biden seemed to have his highest peak around that time in FL and PA. So, was just interested in seeing how things had changed since then. And wanted to see the affect of the convention and the Wisconsin protests on the trend.
 
Utdfrom2002 said:
Oh alright. Yeah I was not going on the whole trend but was just focusing on the last month because Biden seemed to have his highest peak around that time in FL and PA. So, was just interested in seeing how things had changed since then. And wanted to see the affect of the convention and the Wisconsin protests on the trend.
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To be fair we probably won't get a sense of this until next week or even two weeks from now when enough post-convention polling has occurred. The Wisconsin news is still quite new also, although one would think most voters would see this in the context of the George Floyd murder and tie all the protests together (whether fair or not).

What all the pollsters seem to agree on is that there are far less undecided voters in 2020 compared to 2016, which I think is the most interesting part about this election. From what I remember, Clinton didn't hit 50% in the polling average of any of the battleground states at any point during the election cycle.
 
sport2793 said:
To be fair we probably won't get a sense of this until next week or even two weeks from now when enough post-convention polling has occurred. The Wisconsin news is still quite new also, although one would think most voters would see this in the context of the George Floyd murder and tie all the protests together (whether fair or not).

What all the pollsters seem to agree on is that there are far less undecided voters in 2020 compared to 2016, which I think is the most interesting part about this election. From what I remember, Clinton didn't hit 50% in the polling average of any of the battleground states at any point during the election cycle.
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Think Clinton had a bigger lead at this point though in a few states but we know how that turned out. Still a lot of time for Trump to turn it around, added with the attack on the USPS as additional voter suppression, the next few weeks will be interesting indeed.
 
Utdfrom2002 said:
Think Clinton had a bigger lead at this point though in a few states but we know how that turned out. Still a lot of time for Trump to turn it around, added with the attack on the USPS as additional voter suppression, the next few weeks will be interesting indeed.
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If she had a bigger lead at any point it is because there were far more undecided voters, not because there were less people unwilling to vote for Trump. Trump was polling under 40% in those moments and that just reflected the number of voters committed to vote for him at that moment in time. Trump ended up winning over more voters who decided late, even as late as election day. Clinton was and still is extremely disliked by a majority of voters in battleground states, so many people were simply looking for an excuse to vote for someone other than her or stay at home altogether. This fact continues to be underappreciated to this day.
 
do.ob said:
That take is a bit naive, isn't it? Someone who has got nothing to lose can only win in a debate, especially against Biden.
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i think biden not showing up will more than make up for whatever trump might lose by not debating.
 
berbatrick said:
i think biden not showing up will more than make up for whatever trump might lose by not debating.
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Probably, but maybe they are trying to create a narrative where at the end they only concede to one or two debates.
 
WI_Red said:
You forgot he was also recovering from an injury. Maybe it was his moral compass that was broken. Doubt it's been fixed though.
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I’ve been on heavy painkillers due to injuries but still managed not to encourage underage rape & spelled shit correctly. So sad that he had to bring his kids into the discourse to try to salvage something. His kids (& society) are already suffering enough from him being in it.
 
calodo2003 said:
I’ve been on heavy painkillers due to injuries but still managed not to encourage underage rape & spelled shit correctly. So sad that he had to bring his kids into the discourse to try to salvage something. His kids (& society) are already suffering enough from him being in it.
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That's why you would make a poor GOP candidate. I think part of the background check process is to make sure you have at least 2 examples of racist/sexist/etc. comments in your background. Kinda like needing to forms of ID at the DMV.
 
I need help on this. I’ve been debating whether this is a pisstake or not after taking into account all the angles. I am stumped. I do like the replies, though.

 
WI_Red said:
My god man, you're not even an American. Glass raised to you sir for getting this far. After night 1's tribute to studio 54 by Jr. and his partner in crazy I checked out.
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I found the latter to be entertaining at least :lol:
 
WI_Red said:
My god man, you're not even an American. Glass raised to you sir for getting this far. After night 1's tribute to studio 54 by Jr. and his partner in crazy I checked out.
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The first night was very entertaining. The rest...yeesh!
 
berbatrick said:
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Pelosi thought it would be good to endorse Kennedy to "defend the legacy of Camelot" just as multiple polls were due to come out showing markey up by double digits. Why anyone would listen to Pelosi on any kind of political strategy is baffling to me.

Here entire contribution to politics is fundraising from lobbyists and living a comfortable life in a well protected incumbent seat. That's it.
 
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I thought this was going to be a pro Trump ad at first. I wonder how much damage former administration people coming out like this really does to him. Or whether those that support him ignore it and it only really plays with those that don’t as they all expect this and much worse from him anyway.
 
The Boy said:
I thought this was going to be a pro Trump ad at first. I wonder how much damage former administration people coming out like this really does to him. Or whether those that support him ignore it and it only really plays with those that don’t as they all expect this and much worse from him anyway.
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Those that support him will no matter what. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.
 


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