2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Privatizing the USPS has been a long-term conservative pipe dream for all the free marketeers in the GOP and is a distinct matter from manipulating and crippling the USPS in an attempt to win reelection. It is stupid and impractical, but that's not new to many free market Republican ideas. USPS is the only service for much of rural America and there's no way a private service can replicate what the USPS does because it doesn't have the infrastructure and the financial incentives to build it.
The tweet from yesterday did not suggest that UPS and FedEx replace the USPS. It was a retweet of a suggestion that UPS and FedEx offer to deliver ballots given the administration trying to cripple the USPS, not to replace the USPS. The tweet was ignorant and stupid for a number of reasons, but it didn't suggest replacing the USPS with UPS/FedEx. Reasons it was stupid: only the USPS is legally allowed to handle mail ballots in virtually every state (otherwise it would be considered illegal ballot harvesting), neither UPS nor FedEx has the capability of handling this volume of shipping, and neither is set up to ship in this manner.
Numerous people have compared Trump and Bernie--they're both populists and push a lot of the same buttons with their campaigns. That doesn't mean they're the same or both threats to the United States.
Can you clarify what they have won? They aren't getting jobs in a Biden/Harris administration. Both they and Democrats recognize that they will not be on the same side of every policy debate in the future, but, for now, they're willing to be allies in defeating Donald Trump and exorcising Trumpism once he's gone. It doesn't completely absolve them from what they've done in the past that set the GOP along that path towards Trump, but if they're willing to work to stop him from being reelected or enacting his agenda, Democrats would be stupid to spurn them.
I'm not drunk enough for this.
One indication is the number of Republicans at the DNC. 2 in 2012 (Charlie Crist+some random voter), 2 in 2016 (Bloomberg+the founder of GOP for Hillary), 5 this time (Kasich, Whitmans (2 governors and a governor candidate), Google lobbyist Molinari, and Bloomberg again). Partly it indicates the personal differences between Obama/Clinton and Biden, partly it indicates the votes the party is chasing, and partly it indicates an unheralded base of the Biden primary win.
The other is the groups moving for Biden - >$100k/yr and 45-64 show consistent significant positive movement. These are not people who are going to be moved left when they start voting blue. They are going to take their Romney/Bush values and make them more important for the Democrats internally.
At the policy level, a lot of neocons already made the switch in 2016 (the 2016 DNC made me nauseous and also made me question if Clinton could win). I think the centrality of Russia in the anti-Trump rhetoric is because of that realignment in 2016. The case against Trump was his personal warts and "dangerous Donald", and the resistance has been a continuation.
I would be surprised if none get a job with Biden, given his long bipartisan track record. I would be amazed if these new voters - the culmination of 30 years of work by the DLC, 3rd way, the Clintons, Obama, Biden - are not heavily catered to and made happy.
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Dangerous Bernard -
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/07/how-american-politics-went-insane/485570/
Democrats have not been immune, either. Like Trump, Bernie Sanders appealed to the antipolitical idea that the mere act of voting for him would prompt a “revolution” that would somehow clear up such knotty problems as health-care coverage, financial reform, and money in politics. Like Trump, he was a self-sufficient outsider without customary political debts or party loyalty. Like Trump, he neither acknowledged nor cared—because his supporters neither acknowledged nor cared—that his plans for governing were delusional.
Trump, Sanders, and Ted Cruz have in common that they are political sociopaths—meaning not that they are crazy, but that they don’t care what other politicians think about their behavior and they don’t need to care.
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Trump moves another 10 points in the polls
Let's talk about the not so liberal Democratic National Convention
Wow."This ad was paid for by Donald Trumps dead dad who is looking up from hell with shame in his eyes."
I made a huge mistake watching the highlights of the convention. Never getting those mins back.
Same Ted Cruz who spoke at the RNC about making your own choices to sucking Trump's dick at every opportunity? alright my guy. You are doing a disservice to Sanders by even grouping him with Trump and Cruz. Trump is the ultimate charlatan but Cruz isn't too far out either.
Bernie's speech was good, if not a little naive. Michelle stole the show, and rightly so. Was a powerful speech. Thank goodness Gretchen was not a serious VP pick, so wooden. The rest was an infomercial for Biden.
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I know the Dems are trying to court never Trumpers but what message does it send to your base by inviting hardcore conservatives to speak at your convention? Its a fecking slap on the face.
Would have been easier to just flash WE ARE NOT COMMUNISTS in giant letters on the screen, since thats all there is to it.
The base are generally agnostic if it broadens the tent of support and helps them win in Nov.
The base are all about getting Trump out. If Trump was not as bad as he has been. Biden would come under far more scrutiny, and who knows whether he would have won the primary.
It’s always the same, the left are expected to vote regardless of what shit is thrown their way, and if they don’t then they will he blamed for the loss. It’s never the centrists fault under any circumstances.
The Dems basically want their cake and to eat it too. Get Bernie to speak to his supporters, get Kasich et al to speak to the moderates. I'd suggest someone smarter than ourselves has looked at the data and seen that the left are 'stickier' and the middle is there for the taking. We'll see if it works.
Reminder: Trump last time got less votes than Romney. All the Dems need to do to win is get turnout. Oh and somehow survive the clear and obvious treason that Trump is committing with regards to the postal service and other attempts to work around democracy.
Reminder: Trump last time got less votes than Romney. All the Dems need to do to win is get turnout. Oh and somehow survive the clear and obvious treason that Trump is committing with regards to the postal service and other attempts to work around democracy.
Did they reveal their plan to get Guaido into power? Perhaps saving this death blow until closer to election day? I sense the voters are fuming that Trump has failed to install the right wing thug as leader of Venezuela.
That para is a quote from an anti-bernie article.
What are you on about?
It was quite surreal seeing everyone from Sanders to Kasich promoting Biden.
The Trump Effect in action.
Democrat priorities in a time when people lose their jobs, income, healthcare and homes in the middle of a pandemic while the Police raid homeless encampments and throw their only possessions in garbage trucks. Once you start rolling downhill there is always someone to kick you further down. But the system is fine.
So you believe their only priority is replacing the dictator of a South American country . Interesting opinion.
You'd be naive to think I don't believe the democrats have a whole bunch of other stupid priorities before reforming a failed system.
Its not failed for enough people yet to warrant the immediate change you are demanding.
Trump running out of time to expand his support. He could try and speak to different groups of people rather than focusing entirely and only his base. Alas...
I'd say the support has finally crystallized. All those who might have voted him for issues like drain the swamp or economy etc would have dropped off leaving only radical religious, supremacists and gun nuts. The truth is finally out.
I dunno - I think most people have made their mind up about trump and there isn't many persuadable (either way) about him... getting his vote out in person and scuppering the mail in votes actually seems to be his best bet of winning (or at least declaring himself winner on the night and filing multiple lawsuits against the mail in ballots)
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That's fair enough but he's on his way to a resounding defeat then. The guy lost nationally by 3,000,000 votes last time, won a few states with fewer votes than Romney received when he lost the states to Obama, and won two crucial Obama x2 states by less than 1%. You can't replicate that and yet his party is enabling this bullshit of pandering to a base of about 30-35%. He's going to decimate the Republican Party as they can't act like they didn't bend to his every whim.
I don't disagree but as mentioned he's on his way to a resounding defeat.
I dunno - even if he is 10% down in the polls nationally then I dont think its over as most analysis seems to suggest he could loose the popular vote by 2-3% and still win the electoral college... if he can get the vast majority of his vote to be in person and then get say 3% of the mail in ballots declared too late and uncounted perhaps he can overcome 5% of that difference there... and pretty much you are within the margin of error of the polls... chuck in some russian / chinese / fabricated interference and certainly its going to be close and as I say I think hes aiming for close enough to say he won on the night and to lawyer up
Most Americans can't afford a $1000 emergency. Do people really need disaster to hit themselves personally before they wake up? Or are they propagandized to believe they deserve their fate when it does happen?
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