Bernie fanbois aren’t nearly altruistic enough to see politics through that lens. It’s sadly foolish to think otherwise based on the 2016 election & their comments in recent months.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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There are different gradations of Bernie supporters out there. Some will vote for Biden. Some may or may not, while others definitely won't. The ones who do are probably actual Dems, the ones who don't may be temporary visitors who came just for Sanders and will not vote for anyone else.
Its altruistic to vote for a rapist now?
You have a general point but you're exaggerating your example enormously. If you could even put out 10% of the forest fire, it would be worth doing and would likely see action taken to do just that while thinking of a way to tackle the other 90. They wouldn't say 'well this won't fix the bigger issue so I guess we'll just leave the forest fire alone for 4 years until we have more water available.
To think the fanbois would use this allegation as the reasoning to not to vote for Biden is laughable, their minds were already made up before this came to light.
You are correct, the supporters might see correct to vote ‘D,’ while the true fanbois would never vote for any ‘D’ if their quasi-messiah didn’t win the general.
Correct. I was never voting for Biden. But it does crystallize exactly how far liberals are willing to go for someone with a D next to their name. There is nothing thats disqualifying for them.
It is actually pretty incredible for folks my age who volunteered for him to see how quickly his legacy is coming apart and how disappointing his movement really ended up being.
this thread and election cycle is shockingly going the same way it did in 2016. Bernie concedes the candidacy -> mock and antagonize the Bernie supporters -> not make any concessions to pull them in -> ask to vote for the lesser of the evil -> lose election -> blame them ..... -> profit?
Thankfully this time around Trump has had 4 years of acting as a crackhead in office making it a big free hit for Biden.
Thankfully this time around Trump has had 4 years of acting as a crackhead in office making it a big free hit for Biden.
To be fair, it is against Trump, so the standard to be better than Trump is pretty low. You might have had a point if the opponent was someone like Romney or Kasich. Just see the total clusterfeck the mismanagement of the pandemic Trump has done. Now imagine something more serious happening during the next 4 years. Yep, anyone else is a much better choice.
Finally, it is a rape allegation thrown in the middle of an electoral process. Nah, that does not make him a rapist, not even close.
Really interesting thread on Bernie from one of Hillary’s researchers.
hes a rapist. sorry you refuse to see that
Not fooling anyone, that is just another stick for you to beat him. You don't give a shit either if he is a rapist, nor for the woman who made the allegations.
you are a disgusting person. you really ought to think twice before you make comments such as these about people youve never met.
Didn't the far right essentially stay home in 08 and 12 with the Tea Party pissing off the establishment Republicans in Congress?
Damn, i miss Obama, can a former President be a VP?
Sounded more of an endorsement for Bernie than Biden who just reeled off some family bollocks, Obama on the campaign trail would be a massive boost, hopefully he'll do all the talking too.
While I can agree that it is rather peculiar that certain media suddenly starts to write about this case(at large) so soon after Bernie gave up, there is no real evidence to support the allegations besides friends having been told and Reade being removed as the supervisor as the intern... afaik.
Another thing I find peculiar is the difference in how the Kavanaugh accuser and the Biden accuser are being portrayed by different outlets. NYT as an example:
Ford: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/sunday-review/brett-kavanaugh-deborah-ramirez-yale.html
Reade: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html
Not going to assume what is right and wrong here, but I fear for the younger generation growing up when it comes to what is true or not regarding current events. The lack of impartiality among all media is so blatantly obvious that even the most seasoned or experienced "fact checkers" will have a hard time discerning what is true or not.
Biden is a rapist because of an accusation?
If I accuse Sanders of raping me, is that sufficient to declare Bernie a rapist?
Joe Biden supported racial segregation, didn't help Anita Hill, supported Bush's war in Iraq, bragged about racist crime bill executions, opposed LGBT human rights, bailed out Wall Street, deported millions, opposed abortion funding, assaulted women. Uncle Joe.
You forget opposes legalization of marijuana, voted for No Child Left behind and the Patriot Act and the Bankruptcy Bill.
Find me someone who has been in politics for 30 years with a track record that is flawless from your point of view. Go on. I'll wait.
The choice in November is existential for the US. As far as I'm concerned the dems could have an upside down mop standing in a bucket and it's less dangerous than showing that Trumps brand of leadership can not only win a shockingly close election, but win after 4 years of this dumpster fire of corruption and incompetence.
It has to be about Trump, get him out of there alongside his circus side show of ineptitude before it's too late.
Also on the sexual assault claims, I went and did some reading. Tara Reade (no not that one) came out last year and did interviews where she said Biden would touch her in creepy ways, such as "putting his hands on your neck and shoulders" and that it made her uncomfortable. I totally believe this, as there are countless photos of him posing ways that make me uncomfortable. She also claims she heard another staffer say that Biden wanted her to work a fundraiser because she had 'nice legs' but she didn't hear this from Biden directly. This obviously didn't quite cause a massive media cycle, but did get covered.
Then in March on a podcast called useful idiots, she changed her story to Joe throwing her against a wall and assaulting digitally.
Those are the facts that we know, just so everyone has context of the allegation of him being a (serial if you're on Fox news) rapist.
Biden has said that he encourages all women to come forward and be heard, and that the allegation should be thoroughly investigated.
Then in March on a podcast called useful idiots, she changed her story to Joe throwing her against a wall and assaulting digitally.
Those are the facts that we know, just so everyone has context of the allegation of him being a (serial if you're on Fox news) rapist.
Biden has said that he encourages all women to come forward and be heard, and that the allegation should be thoroughly investigated.
Biden is a creepy weirdo, like that weird uncle you see only on Christmas or Thanksgiving and hasnt been outside the house in a year but i highly doubt he has both the mental capacity & physical capacity to go throwing a younger woman against a wall who could probably just push the old fella and he'll go down like a ton of bricks.
It's too much of a coincidence. I guess Bernie will be voting for a rapist and is begging his followers to do so too. YikesIts almost as if Bernie was reading this thread.
Some of his support is holier than him.
She told her friends that she was raped back in 1993, and they corroborated that she told them that.
I don't think there are plural friend"s" who corroborated that story. From the NYT article it seems like one woman and her own brother who are willing to corroborate that end.
She also claims she filed a complaint with the capital hill and let her immediate supervisors know of the assault but there appears to be no paperwork to that end and the supervisors say they could not recall a complaint either.
Sure but the claim is that she brought it up first time in 2019, which is false.
She apparently told a friend and her brother. No one except Grim knows who the friend is and her brother has changed his story, which is probably why the story hasn't received more coverage - it can't be corroborated by journalists interested in seeing whether its legit or not.
How is it false when there is no evidence to prove either way?
The holier than thou attitude some people here have is maddening.
Beachryan said it as well--this is about the future of this country. Literally the most critical election we've ever had because despite his perceived ineptitude Trump is literally doing just about everything the far right and McConnell have been hoping for for ages. The amount of damage this Presidency has done to not only our government but also our public discourse is so damaging now is not the time to stomp your feet and hang your hat on the ideal candidate that truthfully - doesn't exist.
Beachryan said it as well--this is about the future of this country. Literally the most critical election we've ever had because despite his perceived ineptitude Trump is literally doing just about everything the far right and McConnell have been hoping for for ages. The amount of damage this Presidency has done to not only our government but also our public discourse is so damaging now is not the time to stomp your feet and hang your hat on the ideal candidate that truthfully - doesn't exist.
I've just listened to an interview with the reporter she spoke to, who said that Tara claimed to have explicitly told 3 of her colleagues at the time, all 3 have gone on the record to claim otherwise.
Just saying, it's not quite clear cut, but she should have the opportunity to make allegations, and they should be investigated.
What is difficult is that he's now being branded by such luminaries as those gracing this thread as a rapist, when I'd certainly argue the preponderance of evidence suggests that is wildly off-base.
I can't read the NYT story, but the evidence I'm pointing to is that she told someone else rather than make a new story in 2019.
Warren endorses Biden
Yeah, thats the evidence. Theres never going to be any smoking gun. Thats not how these things work. But telling multiple people at the time and being retaliated against is extremely compelling.
he was 51 at the time
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