2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Raoul said:
I'm willing to listen if there is evidence from credible media sources not linked to Sanders' political interests.
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Yes let’s get Facts First CNN, who spent a whole day covering the Bernie-Warren he said she said a woman can’t be president bs, on it. We can trust them to be objective and credible.
 
How about some simple evidence, before everyone jumps the gun on Biden?

At one point our own Jonny Evans was a supposed rapist too. I'd hate it if Biden's done it, but anyone can make a claim from 1993. If we're just going for rumours and allegations without evidence, then even Sanders could get an allegation against him and lose because of that. That's not right though, is it?
 
ROFLUTION said:
How about some simple evidence, before everyone jumps the gun on Biden?

At one point our own Jonny Evans was a supposed rapist too. I'd hate it if Biden's done it, but anyone can make a claim from 1993. If we're just going for rumours and allegations without evidence, then even Sanders could get an allegation against him and lose because of that. That's not right though, is it?
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how about the months of people calling him creepy af and video of him being creepy af







 
Silva said:
how about the months of people calling him creepy af and video of him being creepy af







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Yes. I've seen them. Surely he's awkward, but let's not pretend the times have not changed completely with regards on how we judge people touching each other. For me he's 9/10 times, trying to show joy but he's awkward in doing it.

So what's your point here? That he's definitely raped someone, because of a compilation of awkward touches?
 
ROFLUTION said:
Yes. I've seen them. Surely he's awkward, but let's not pretend the times have not changed completely.

But what's your point here? That he's definitely raped someone, because of a compilation of awkward touches?
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idk bro, maybe the kind of person who has no respect for personal space might also be the kind of person who starts fingering a lady out of nowhere

what kind of simple evidence do you expect? she has two contemporaneous sources saying she told them of the assault, and all this video evidence of joe being a creepy, creepy creep who touches women inappropriately, that's enough for me
 
Biden ad talking about Trump's inadequate response to the virus features Reagan and Bush as positive role models in responding to crisis. Not surprising at all, one day Dems will vote for Paul Wolfowitz to keep Ivanka out and decency in the White House.
 
crappycraperson said:
How is that any different to Sanders continuing his movement after 2016?
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There wasn't another progressive' running in the 2016 race when Sanders dropped out. Where as now the Warren people could(If they actually care about policy)support the only progressive left in the race but instead their off to start a ''movement'' with wine moms(Good luck trying to start a movement under the banner of candidate who couldn't even win her home state).


Synco said:
What has one to do with the other?
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It's annoying constantly finding out ''liberals'' don't believe in anything, thats all. Seeing them over the last few years trying their best to discredit left projects because some random on Facebook posted an anti semitic meme or because a left politician pronunciation of surnames is a bit off, while at the same time they'll openly say things like ''credible media sources not linked to Sanders political interests'' or compare Sanders to a killer virus(CNN reference).

Sanders Jewish heritage has being ignored by liberals because he's a socialist. Sanders is talked about as just another white guy in the long list of white guys who could have been president of the United States. A complete disregard for the fact Sanders came from a working class jewish family in Brooklyn, who's father came over to the US as a penny less immigrant from Poland. But nothing of this matter to liberals(Who apparently care so deeply about someone identity)it's all just lolz white men winning again.

The recent Biden accusation being another clear example, for years we've heard from liberals about the women hating Bernie bro's, snake emojis attacks on women candidates and how the Metoo movement must mean we listen to women, yet when Sanders opponent has a accusation of sexual assault the libs..............are completely silent or worst they try to discredit the story.

ROFLUTION said:
How about some simple evidence, before everyone jumps the gun on Biden?
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The evidence is the woman coming forward and the family members who say they remember she told them on the day it happened in 1993. Now that doesn't mean it's true but it means taking her accusation seriously and not just ignoring if(Which is what lot of people are doing).
 
Silva said:
idk bro, maybe the kind of person who has no respect for personal space might also be the kind of person who starts fingering a lady out of nowhere

what kind of simple evidence do you expect? she has two contemporaneous sources saying she told them of the assault, and all this video evidence of joe being a creepy, creepy creep who touches women inappropriately, that's enough for me
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Sure it is for you, but if everyone judged and acted this way, society would be no more civilized than in medieval times.

Btw, what if I threw a rape accusation at you and delivered it to your workplace? Should they keep you or fire you then?
 
ROFLUTION said:
Sure it is for you, but if everyone judged and acted this way, society would be no more civilized than in medieval times.
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have you ever met a person in real life?

ROFLUTION said:
Btw, what if I threw a rape accusation at you and delivered it to your workplace? Should they keep you or fire you then?
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i would get fired for the things joe biden has done on tape. if for some reason they ignored my handsiness and someone who worked for me went to the business owners with her brother and a friend and said i'd raped her i'd be physically kicked out without a second thought
 
ROFLUTION said:
Sure it is for you, but if everyone judged and acted this way, society would be no more civilized than in medieval times.

Btw, what if I threw a rape accusation at you and delivered it to your workplace? Should they keep you or fire you then?
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The sheer lengths people are willing to go to protect joe fkin Biden. Just incredible.
 
entropy said:
The sheer lengths people are willing to go to protect joe fkin Biden. Just incredible.
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feck off with your simple-mindness and read what Im actually getting at. That you need to have actually judges to decide or else society would be no better than medieval times. Neymar, Jonny Evans, etc would all be in jail by now if we operated on rumours.

Im not trying to defend Biden, Im trying to defend the right that you cant just accuse someone like Biden or any random guy on the street and by that alone destroy their career with no evidence.

And ps im a Sanders man. I dont like the idea of Biden in the white house. I think he's too old fashioned and not sure what he really stands for
 
Sweet Square said:
The arsehole who posted that tweet. And I'm guessing you agree with him, considering you're last post in here,




right ?
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No I don't agree with him. I like to see all sides of a story as they become available.

Anyhow, here's a good summary of it all. Apologies if already posted.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation

I wonder if anything is going to come of this? Will she pursue it? Especially with other things that are going on. There's a lot of distraction for sure. Convention was scheduled in July although probably delayed considerably. Surely something has to be sorted before that? What a mess.
 
Sweet Square said:
The arsehole who posted that tweet. And I'm guessing you agree with him, considering you're last post in here,




right ?
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Sorry, missed that part about the earlier video. Yes, that is the side of him I know and have knowledge of. I can't go into details on that. But, if this allegations is real it doesn't matter. It's a show stopper.
 
senorgregster said:
No I don't agree with him. I like to see all sides of a story as they become available.
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Her dumb takes on Putin are hardly seeing all sides but are used at least by that person on twitter as a way to discredit her.

senorgregster said:
I wonder if anything is going to come of this? Will she pursue it? Especially with other things that are going on. There's a lot of distraction for sure. Convention was scheduled in July although probably delayed considerably. Surely something has to be sorted before that? What a mess.
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Biden denied it and I'm guessing that will be it. It will be forgotten as the democratic party has no interest in pursuing it, until the general election where Trump will use it against Biden.

Agree with you that it's a complete mess.
 
Sweet Square said:
It's annoying constantly finding out ''liberals'' don't believe in anything, thats all. Seeing them over the last few years trying their best to discredit left projects because some random on Facebook posted an anti semitic meme or because a left politician pronunciation of surnames is a bit off, while at the same time they'll openly say things like ''credible media sources not linked to Sanders political interests'' or compare Sanders to a killer virus(CNN reference).

Sanders Jewish heritage has being ignored by liberals because he's a socialist. Sanders is talked about as just another white guy in the long list of white guys who could have been president of the United States. A complete disregard for the fact Sanders came from a working class jewish family in Brooklyn, who's father came over to the US as a penny less immigrant from Poland. But nothing of this matter to liberals(Who apparently care so deeply about someone identity)it's all just lolz white men winning again.

The recent Biden accusation being another clear example, for years we've heard from liberals about the women hating Bernie bro's, snake emojis attacks on women candidates and how the Metoo movement must mean we listen to women, yet when Sanders opponent has a accusation of sexual assault the libs..............are completely silent or worst they try to discredit the story.
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Well yeah, the subordination of truth and morals under political-identitarian causes is a massive drag, and absolutely harmful. And I also agree that Sanders is regularly getting that treatment. But then I don't see this partisan loyalty as something larger parts of the left aren't guilty of as well. We had this issue over & over, but for me the downplaying of left antisemitism in the same paragraph has a lot to do with that attitude.

Same goes for the identity thing: It's absolutely true that this has become a political partisan matter as well. The Jewishness of one's allies gets paraded around, and in the really bad cases, a Jew on the other side is not only an opponent, but an abomination. But man, when I look at your last post in the Israel/Palestine thread, I see a perfect example of that toxicity against the "wrong Jews" (in this case: "Zionist child killers").

Generally speaking, it's odd how often people can easily spot the inconsistencies and hypocrisies on the other side, but somehow manage to blend this with the same mindset they have just exposed. Does my head in.
 
Sweet Square said:
Her dumb takes on Putin are hardly seeing all sides but are used at least by that person on twitter as a way to discredit her.


Biden denied it and I'm guessing that will be it. It will be forgotten as the democratic party has no interest in pursuing it, until the general election where Trump will use it against Biden.

Agree with you that it's a complete mess.
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I hear you but I think it is potentially relevant in this instance. I think you may be right about this being forgotten. It could be a real mess.
 
senorgregster said:
I saw this yesterday and wondered who the heck puts in 45? For me I've always just hit the same button repeatedly. 30 is 33 etc. Microwaves aren't exactly precise instruments.
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I use 45 a lot. It's for times when 30 seconds is too little and one minute is too much.

ROFLUTION said:
How about some simple evidence, before everyone jumps the gun on Biden?

At one point our own Jonny Evans was a supposed rapist too. I'd hate it if Biden's done it, but anyone can make a claim from 1993. If we're just going for rumours and allegations without evidence, then even Sanders could get an allegation against him and lose because of that. That's not right though, is it?
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Ideally, the process should be followed, but we're probably not going to get any traction because even if true, Biden the Democrats will simply deny/ignore it. And don't you see the hypocrisy of the Democratic party and the irony of these events? They were convinced Kavanaugh was a rapist. They used these arguments against Trump. They made a meal out of "believe all women" and even Joe Biden making a statement like that.

Put Sanders in the same situation and details and CNN and MSNBC will spend days on it. Put Trump in the same situation and details and they will be talking about him all day too. But Biden being in the situation means fake news, Bernie bots planting it, Russia, etc. And even some people not denying it are becoming rape apologists and pretty much sayin a little bit of rape is okay for President because it's better than a lot of rape. It's a complete mockery of the #metoo movement for anyone who is true to it.
 
Florida Man said:
I use 45 a lot. It's for times when 30 seconds is too little and one minute is too much.


Ideally, the process should be followed, but we're probably not going to get any traction because even if true, Biden the Democrats will simply deny/ignore it. And don't you see the hypocrisy of the Democratic party and the irony of these events? They were convinced Kavanaugh was a rapist. They used these arguments against Trump. They made a meal out of "believe all women" and even Joe Biden making a statement like that.

Put Sanders in the same situation and details and CNN and MSNBC will spend days on it. Put Trump in the same situation and details and they will be talking about him all day too. But Biden being in the situation means fake news, Bernie bots planting it, Russia, etc. And even some people not denying it are becoming rape apologists and pretty much sayin a little bit of rape is okay for President because it's better than a lot of rape. It's a complete mockery of the #metoo movement for anyone who is true to it.
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Try 44 or 55
 
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