Her purpose is getting a job on Fox News and being "the good one".
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Her purpose is getting a job on Fox News and being "the good one".
The perspective I had before Bernie was that a Ron Paul type would be better for the rest of the world than any Democrat. Nothing on climate change, but they weren't managing much either, and far better on war. He'd devastate a lot of Americans though.
Based on this thread, I'll guess that while a majority of his vote will transfer, the young ones won't transfer as well. I'm also wondering what happens to the Latino vote, which except for youth is Bernie's only base, after Biden pulled this on an immigration activist:
For all his divisiveness, Bernie has never come close to pulling this shit.
He has not been very calculating (ever in his political career), and refers to him like that because he feels that he is a Democratic Socialist. One of the very few honest politicians.
Why his staff didn't push him to make some smart moves, on the other hand, is another matter.
It's pointless to play the "why didn't Sanders change" game. That's pretty much what defines Sanders, he's been saying the same stuff for decades.
Thanks for this, well said. There's a lot of whataboutism. Bernie has to hold true to his word while the party basically throws everything at him to keep him out. That said, I think he will endorse Biden when eventually he has to concede
Folks who have this view are most likely white liberals who haven't ever had to face real injustice or hardship. Quite frankly, this probably describes the majority of Sanders supporters on this forum and where I live (Portland, OR). In fact, those same folks (the ones in OR, can't speak for the ones on this forum) tend to have just as much implicit bias/subtle racism to them as conservative voters.
Minorities who know how it bad it can really get know that there is definitely a difference between Trump and Biden. I've got family members being kicked out of the country due to the current administration's immigration policies. I believe that widening income inequality is a threat to the republic and structural change the likes of which Bernie is proposing can be a good step towards combating that (although making college free to everyone will only have the effect of maintaining the status quo as the rich will continue to network at the same prestigious universities). However, that is not as high priority on my list as compared to ensuring that the basic human rights of all are protected and enforced. Furthermore, structural change can be brought about gradually, no matter how much whining people on this forum, who quite frankly are not well read on history, say to the contrary.
I agree with this view. Think if you message correctly, M4A, increased progressive taxation, increased education funding will all find a majority of supporters. Have been saying that the Sanders campaign has only themselves to blame for not getting the messaging correct over the past 5 years.
That is my belief too (add that Biden has a higher chance of actually winning against Trump).
The only advantage for Bernie is that he would have shifted the party to the left (same as how Trump shifted the party to the stupid), which might have had good long-term consequences. At the same time, it might ost the Dems the other elections (especially the house).
Never mind the fact that what he said is outright wrong. Sanders did expand his coalition quite a bit. Just not enough to counter the mass of moderates. And at that point he's not going to be Bernie Sanders.
They did in 2018, though it was not under Hillary.
In the house, the majority of new congressmen were moderates, not left wings. Just that the squad are more vocal (and in case of AOC, extremely popular).
He's already acknowledge that he received ~20% of Bernie's voters so it's really not difficult to imagine that with the fine margins he won by last time he views Sanders as the only candidate that can actually cut into his support rather than just rely on his opposition.
This isn't accurate at all, the only reason the Dems have the house is because of moderates who won swing seats. McCaskill, Donnely, and Heitkamp lost in red states that became even more red, not due to folks wanting a progressive revolution.
Doug Jones only won because of Roy Moore. Jones losing in 2020 wouldn't mean anything as if Roy Moore hadn't been the opponent, Jones wouldn't have had a seat to defend in the first place.
This was the first hit:
https://www.forbes.com/donald-trump/#5d22dac32899
Honestly, I don't give a shit if he's a millionaire or a billionaire. I also think despite his businesses suffering, he must have his grubby hands on so many dirty things at the moment, so he'll be fine money-wise no matter what happens in Nov.
So the media and the DNC doesn't have any blame? How you compete with 24hours of mass media news talking about how you gonna convert the country into Venezuela or Cuba? How you fight the noise?
Orders came from the DNC to threadban him until he agrees to endorse Biden.
I've read it, it is an analysis. No one right now knows what is gonna cost, not even Bernie. Why else he hasn't made public the costs of the plan?
In any case, it will require the bill passing both chambers, which was my main point of the post. Even if only Democrats would have voted, it wouldn't pass either chamber. With GOP controlling the senate (or in the best case a marginal majority for Dems either 51-50, or 51-49,) it won't pass. There are Democrat senators (who don't come for elections until 2024) who have said that they are going to vote against it, and others who have strongly hinted that.
I don't quite understand this. We have millennials approaching 40. Is that too young?That's a little too narrow.
Its the "millennials" that Bernie appeals to the most that were among the lower turnouts and that's wider than 18-24 and they will be relevant for a long time. Sadly its GenX that's getting passed over and that's the age group that, atm, is best suited to leadership. Passing from senile boomers to too young millennials is not the best plan.
Vice president though. That would have united the party and more or less guarantee a Democratic victory.
I still think that Biden should offer the VP to Bernie. Bernie is gonna endorse him either way (and do some lite-campaigning), but in the unlikely scenario he is on the ticket, I can see some of his voters voting for the ticket (and voting Green or staying home otherwise).
You know what the Houses are right?
By all accounts, most of these voters made their mind up in the last 48 hours - people who make up their mind in the last moment, flip-floppers, momentum voters, voters who were scared by socialism.... can be scared again in November. Just pick your poison... immigrants, drugs, some nebulous foreign threat. I like voters who are FOR something not AGAINST someone. The former have staying power, the latter not so much.
He's not broke for sure but he also over and understates his wealth which in some cases is criminal. There is a reason why trump org is not a publicly traded company.
That's disingenuous. Something can save money for the country in the aggregate, while still requiring an increase of the government budget, which in turn can't be carried through by executive order. Sanders could be 100% right but he still needs to convince congress to pass legislation.
He must be having a rotten day.
I think the DNC definitely shares some responsibility in that they could have been more helpful in countering the narrative. Unfortunately, there is no love lost between Bernie and the DNC (2016 still cuts deep for both sides I suppose). I do think though that had Bernie built his friendships (maybe through Obama) inside the party (and I think he could have done this while maintaining ideological clarity), Bernie's campaign would only have had to deal with the communist dog-whistling from the GOP. Ultimately, you decrease the noise easiest by reducing the number of those who want to throw noise your way.
In terms of the media, I think MSNBC has been absolutely shameful this cycle but with that said, many non-progressive voters don't watch MSNBC anyways.
My point is that the argument about Biden helping the likes of red-state senators to hold on to their seats is extremely flawed. Not in this increasingly polarized climate.
Ok, that is probably true. I think that Jones is doomed too (though he might get a cabinet position). He stood a chance only until Sessions entered the game. The other Democrat incumbents should be fine.
How long are you going to keep playing that card? It didn't stop him from droning innocent civilians aboard. Or using republican talking points when addressing black communities or deporting people in record numbers. He did feck all to address the systemic racism that was hurting black people across the nation. He let down the very people who trusted him to change the system.
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Plenty of organizations remain private. Bloomberg LP is private.
That's quite the switch. A few minutes ago you said it was going to cost mega money, now when confronted with contradictory evidence you're saying nobody knows. Isn't it curious how you always fall back to saying it's going to cost mega money, without ever explaining how the contradictory evidence is incorrect?
Here's the latest study about it:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext#
You and many other centrist voters put yourselves forward as the more reasoned voters, the ones who won't buy into fairytales put out by demagogues like Sanders. Any evidence put forward that contradicts your argument is flawed in unspecific ways, and the same flaws put forward your your argument are swept under the rug.
The reality is you just buy into different fairytales. The idea that Joe Biden can reach across the aisle and achieve meaningful legislation through bipartisan co-operation, when he repeatedly failed to do that alongside a more popular president in a less partisan time, is a fairytale. It's an emotional argument masquerading as a rational one. The reality is most people vote for the status quo because of fear.
And it didn't stop them from lying to the oversight bodies in Congress about mass surveillance and other activities. The Obama administration did all sorts of shit we like to think only the Republicans do.
The house should be fine regardless I think. I don't think Sanders or Biden make the house flip back to red.
Same for the senate, this year is a long shot. Maybe the map in 2 years looks much better.
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Trump. For every one of these points, the current president.
(which show the difference between the republican base and the dem base).
So would a Sanders administration. Most of these people change their behavior once they get ahold of power and start getting briefed about threats to the country.
A study means not much dude. If it was so clear, Bernie would have released the numbers a long time ago. Warren's plan (which was less generous) cost a shitload of money. If M4A would actually be better, and cost less, then why Bernie has been hiding the numbers? It just makes no sense.
Not really. But I think that he can make every Democrat senator vote with him for the big issues, and in some cases, some from Collins, Murkowski and Romney might join Dems (Romney probably less so). So, it all depends if Dems can get the senate back, which has a good chance of happening in 2022, and is a longshot in these elections. Also, GOP will probably go towards the center if Trump loses and they lose the control of the senate (in which case McTurtle is gonna retire cause the map in 2022 favors the Democrats).
I also don't consider myself a centrist. Have voted left all my life, and while in the US I cannot vote (no citizenship), Warren (left) was my first choice followed by Young (not defined in political spectrum) and Bernie * (very left). Just that I am under no illusions that any of his big plans have a tiny chance of being implemented.
* You can check my posts here before, but also on Hillary vs Bernie 4 years ago.
Also, Obama is super proud for converting USA in the biggest Oil producer in the world. (Funny now Biden saying he will go carbon free... bitch please)
Where are you located now, and when are you putting out your ground breaking research
When you run on a platform of bringing systemic change but pivot after getting elected. You end up with no option but to resort to media-driven narratives and talking points.
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Of course. Getting any meaningful legislation through Congress is a long shot. The more ambitious, the more difficult it is - typically. Sanders is relying on energising a mass political movement and forcing politicians to be more responsive to the popular will. There's plenty of reasons to expect that to fail, particularly given there's no recent evidence of success. Biden is relying on moderate republicans being willing to negotiate on many issues they're firmly opposed to, through gladhanding and wheeling and dealing. There's plenty of reasons to expect that to fail, particularly given there's been countless examples of recent failure. They're both reaching for Hail Mary's. It's disingenuous to pretend that only applies to one candidate.
It's why they have reverted to the message of getting Trump out of office. It's not about policy but just about winning that first battle. They know they're likely to lose the rest of them because of the current political dynamics.
You say you'd vote for Bernie despite not only believing his platform is unachievable, but ignoring the evidence that supports his main policies, and recycling the attack messages of his rivals. Something doesn't add up there.
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