Isn't that bad news for the Democrats in the general?
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Isn't that bad news for the Democrats in the general?
Don't wish to intrude on personal grief, but the Democrats attempt to find someone to beat Trump is becoming laughable, surely they just need someone younger than Trump who might live out the next decade and can walk and talk at the same time?
@Raoul it's your time to shine.
Eh I think it's just him giving it back. I've read enough articles about Sanders bringing impending doom to know there's no love lost between both sides.
That does not extend to Obama, someone who has expressed admiration for Bernie and has received the love back.
Now, if there are voters who can't comprehend the nuance there, then again, I'm not sure Bernie scaling things back will do much. Because it's not like the "establishment" will do a U-turn and welcome his platform with open arms.
All these analyses run contrary to Occam's razor: enough people dropped out and endorsed Biden, which blindsided the Sanders campaign. Free promo beating a well organized ground operation in many states, but at this point the race is close. Enough time for either candidate to make it through or feck it up. I'm not going to throw the presumed front-runner under the bus for being a meanie, not yet at least.
I don't think it would be news to anyone really - we've known for a long time that the population is getting older. It's also getting more diverse which works in the Democrats' favour, and on the whole the demographic changes are expected to benefit them, which is why the republicans have taken such aggressive steps around gerrymandering, voter suppression etc. They're openly fearful of it and the Fox News narrative alludes to it as some kind of conspiracy often.
You really don't believe what you are typing though? I mean it's good for online debates based on logical assumptions. Biden was dead and buried before SC that it prompted Bloomberg to run and some small town mayor from Indiana almost won two states.
If all centrists can unite to ensure a progressive can't win the nomination, why shouldn't a progressive turn around and say 'well I took this stance when I had a good chance, but given the circumstances, I believe that I have the best chance to win and I think we should run the convention this way'.. It will be hypocritical but it's just the same for every one.
And this is where I think most people no longer really can distinguish the dems from the republicans (which is why I was really pulling for Bernie).
I've come around to this view over the past few months. This country hasn't had up to 10 great presidents. Obama isn't in that tier. He's just one of the best of a horrible bunch.
Christ... there you have it, fear overrides our better angels. This is why humanity is fecked.
There's a comeback someone in there involving Bloomberg spending half of Trump's net worth (and that's if we believe Trump is a billionaire, which I don't).
Currently torn between voting for whoever comes out of the Democratic nomination, and just ignoring politics and betting that I'll be fine regardless of what happens up there, and feck everyone else...
I don't buy this dogma "Democrats good, Republicans bad". In fact on many substantive things they're indistinguishable. Bipartisanship has created a giant turd sandwich in healthcare and higher education sectors, where you're saddled with $100k in debt for finishing university (much higher if decide to go for a graduate degree) and your financial well being is being put at risk of any hospital bills. And if you're in between jobs or part of the Uber economy (part time gigs freelancing) you're completely fecked and likely to go bankrupt if you need any serious medical care.
On foreign affairs/defense some Democrats can be even more hawkish than Republicans.
more generational gap, even in people committed to bernie. no positive change is possible because climate change will act before millenials take over.
You don't believe Trump is a billionaire? If he merely had $4 or $5B before the election (according to Forbes), I'm sure he's doubled that during the past 4 years.
Wait wait, let's close our eyes and imagine a world where centrist democrats gradually make things better
In many ways that will depend on whether the likes of Sanders and AOC are willing to speak up early to get folks to go out with the sole purpose to unseat Trump. Hillary was probably right about one of her criticisms of Bernie and that is that he took too long to get behind the party last time. Clearly given what happened with the shenanigans involving Wasserman-Shultz etc Bernie was right to feel angry about it - as were his voters. Crux is - how you unite the closet Republicans/conservative dems voting for a Biden or Hillary with the liberal left without disenfranchising either one - even if Bernie and Co do throw their support behind Biden early on. Ironically this would a great example of where in a more representative parliamentary democracy you d find ways to fit through the same door without alienating your platform - which of course our system is not set up to do. More importantly in this country - would the (dark?) money involved in our politics even allow for the left to be brought into the fold? So far clearly every sign seems to again be pointing in the opposite direction.
If we are talking net wealth he's nowhere near a billionaire. He's leveraged up to his bollocks in debt.
Probably. (and I hope so)
I would vote for the green party candidate, someone with whom you can have plenty common goals.
So the hypothetical progressive should run as a.... Republican?
By the way, I was just hypothetically game-planning. I won't ever be a core constituent for a progressive candidate. You guys can call me evil all you want, I actually am what you guys call a centrist (in current politics, not on conviction that the truth always lies in the center).
It's very possible that some of those folks in the Bernie/AOC camp probably wouldn't have voted anyway if it wasn't for Bernie's platform. Some people in Texas were in line to vote for over 7 hours... if the gain from that is just to get Trump out but nothing much will change for them, how do you convince them to come out without sounding like a phony?
If Bernie drops out, he'll endorse Biden, but then it'll be up to Biden to convince those voters to vote for him. It was an easy sell to supporters of Buttigieg and Klobuchar and co...
Some possibly. Some will be pragmatic and hold their noses and vote for Biden.
With Bernie gone after losing this election, who is gonna take all his movement?
Whoever it is, they need to run a independent campaign (plus green party, etc). Never again DNC.
Whoever it is, they need to run a independent campaign (plus green party, etc). Never again DNC.
You're right of course - most people don't spend more than 5 minutes reading programs or thinking through platform issues, they just get scared by labels. Socialism = bad.
Unless you're talking about Social Security and Medicare, in which case it's good. Or highways which are shared social expenditures. Or the military, public parks and schools. Or when bailing out Goldman Sachs which was going under in 2008 from the AAG fiasco. Or bailing out auto companies like GM in 2008. Or subsidizing Big Ag o r Big Pharma. Those are fine. Just keep socialism out of my plate.
His businesses have apparently been in a slump since he became President.
I think there's a very good chance Trump isn't a billionaire, or wasn't one before his election. There is all sorts of information out there suggesting Forbes was essentially had. Trump is all about image.
There’s no replacement for Sanders imo. His core issues will however continue to get promoted by the likes of AOC, Ro Khanna, and others within the Sanders orbit.
Well, that's one pragmatic school of thought. Another one could very well be, "this world is fecked either way, so let me make as much money as possible and I'll vote for the guys who let me keep the most of it." Hello Donald.
That's a little too narrow.
Its the "millennials" that Bernie appeals to the most that were among the lower turnouts and that's wider than 18-24 and they will be relevant for a long time. Sadly its GenX that's getting passed over and that's the age group that, atm, is best suited to leadership. Passing from senile boomers to too young millennials is not the best plan.
I can certainly see AOC running for president one day (maybe when the US is a bit more ready), but even though she could technically do it next time, she probably won't for a few cycles. And as you say, in the meantime there might be a lack of a proper Sanders-y candidate to push the leftist issues during the Presidential cycle.
He's inflated his net worth for sure but with the real estate he owns plus licensing deals/stock he owns, he is probably a little over a billion for sure.
Maybe, but I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't the case after all. Hell, I still want to see his tax returns
massive generation gap between him and the next left wave, which makes sense.
Nope. It had a long fight in the house and especially Senate (despite that the Dems had 60 senators). Bernie was actually an opponent of Obamacare (especially in public), and Harry Reid had to work hard to convince Bernie to vote it.
The Republicans tried to repeal it, but were not able to do so despite controlling the senate (Murkowski, Collins and ironically enough McCain voted against it).
Any plan that requires a lot of money (I am talking even for an Obamacare++, let alone Medicare for all which is gonna cost even more) will require both the house and the senate to vote for it, and it will require an increase of the taxes (which again, both the house and the senate had to vote for it). Of course, Bernie could shut down the argument if they don't give him the money, but that rarely works (Trump shut down the government for a month in order to get 6billion for the stupid wall, and Pelosi still didn't give it to him. Good luck on shutting down the government while asking for trillions of dollars with maybe 20% of senators supporting you).
Medicare for all, Green New Deal (which was a mess from the beginning), and removing the public debt had absolutely no chance of being implemented during a potential Bernie presidency. Neither of those could have been done by executive orders.
That's a little too narrow.
Its the "millennials" that Bernie appeals to the most that were among the lower turnouts and that's wider than 18-24 and they will be relevant for a long time. Sadly its GenX that's getting passed over and that's the age group that, atm, is best suited to leadership. Passing from senile boomers to too young millennials is not the best plan.
I think all of the 18-24 year olds are Gen Z by now and I'm not sure what it is we're talking about at this point
I'm sorry to say that this is like the where is Sergio Canales question
Or maybe, he just says the first thing it comes to his mind in twitter (like he does all the time), and genuinely thinks that Biden is a more difficult opponent. Let's be fair, Biden seems to have a wider support, and strangely, he won big in the states with the highest turnout.
You should read up on Forbes and Trump's history. A great insight in to that dickhead's ego.
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