Hey if the guy successfully normalizes the concept of people power and lays the foundations for true leftism, then he can drive all the Ferraris he wants.
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Would be a winning ticket for sure. Also, later in the story it seems to throw cold water on the idea Warren’s campaign leaked the “A woman can’t win” story to hurt the Sanders campaign on the eve of the debate.
Main problem (bar the latest fight which hopefully will pass fast) is that both of them are a bit old. When an old candidate aims for president, it is supposed to be that the VP is younger.
I actually would prefer a total leftist ticket (leftist from US point of view), rather than a mixed bag whose goal is to appeal to everyone.
But what about all those hashtags?
If personal riches were his main goal, why was he a lonely independent for so long, and why is he shunning corporate donors?
It doesn't make a ton of sense. Though I do think it's good to have views that counter the Messianic vibe, that one goes a bit far the other way. I'd say that anybody who plays in the dirt gets dirty, and no doubt there's political dirt on Sanders, too.
Twitter nonsense by various extremists on both sides it would seem.
At this point competence would be a bigger factor than age. Besides, she is 8 years or so younger so it wouldn’t be a big deal. Sanders really has few options at VP since he can’t choose someone who estranges independents.
Sanders VP will be Nina Turner without a doubt. He will pick someone he can trust. Besides he has mentioned it would be woman and someone in her 50s.
Besides there is already too much bad blood in as far as Warren is concerned.
Any attempt to choose someone from the political fringes would be a losing choice imo. He will need someone with a bit of credibility and gravitas who could actually be POTUS.
VP picks are over rated.
An election is about the candidate. Sanders will pick someone who is on the same page as himself.
For all her so called Progressive views she has proven to be as trustworthy as Trump.
I was going to mention the Dems picking WI as their convention location. This was a gimme state until 2016.
Says a lot about the need to win the mid-west.
Biden may pick up delegates in Southern states he will never win in the GE. What we need to watch is how many delegates he picks up in the Blue States.
Trump will rise like a Phoenix after the Trial and will not be defeated by someone just bringing 'Hate Trump' as the message.
He will be hard to defeat. The damage done by the Dems in the Rust belt will not be forgotten.
Real solutions are needed.
What does this have to do with Turner ?
Sanders would need to reach out to more people beyond the his current base to win the election, so it would make sense that he picks someone with a bit of credibility among Dems and Independents. An obscure former state Senator would fall woefully short in this regard.
Think it says more about who Sanders is.
He is convinced the way to win the election is to offer real policies. Logically it makes sense to pick someone who shares his views and he can trust and work with. Even if it is not Turner it will be someone like that. I'm going also by what he actually has said.
To pick someone who does not share all his views will make him look like any other politician.
Warren is close enough to him to check that box. Buttiegieg or Klobuchar would be people who don't share his views.
No she is not. She is willing to give an open check book for Defense spending.
The other fact is the VP pick will be the one who can have credibility to run as president after Sanders.
Someone who is not well known now can prove herself/himself during a Sanders presidency.
So the VP has to agree with everything the presidential candidate does?
She’s very close to him on policy among the perception of the masses, which is what will count at election time. His age and heart problem will also increase the pressure to select a more competent VP and not some random campaign surrogate who only plays well among the TYT crowd.
Yep. Add to that, the highest post so far she had was a state senator. Would be totally unprofessional to choose someone as inexperienced as her (especially considering Sanders age, and consequently the possibility of having a newbie as president if he has to resign cause of health problems).
Dunno who can be a good VP pick at this stage. Gabbard could have been if she didn’t burn herself in latest months. Harris might still be (acceptable for moderates, ticks the age/gender/race check), Abrams too but then she lost her only important election, same for O’Rourke. If he goes for some bizarre choice, then he will alienate anyone bar ‘Bernie or bust’ crow, and they already are converted, so no point preaching to them. Warren if she didn’t fight with him, but age there is a problem too (president McCarthy in 2022).
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That you only associate Sanders and Nina Turner with the unrepresentative "TYT crowd" (people I and most other Gen X I know have never associated with) shows the limitations of your knowledge and experience in the US electorate.
That said, Sanders biggest mistake was going all-in on eliminating private insurers completely with his M4A plan instead of adopting a more marketable Western Europe/Canadian/Australian style single payer plan that just limits private insurers not attempts to eliminate them completely within 5 years.
TYT has a pretty big audience for a movement that doesn't have access to any MSM outlets.
As for Turner. There's nothing wrong with her. However an unknown state Senator isn't going to animate anyone to vote for Sanders and also wouldn't in any way assuage concerns about his age or health to have someone with little to no experience a heartbeat away from the job of being the most powerful person on the planet.
100%. Sanders will have to grow his support into the mainstream if he wants to have people from the mainstream vote for him. To do that, he will need a VP with a bit of cross over appeal. There are no hardcore progressives who exist who can do that.
Sanders is right not to compromise from the outset. He may well eventually compromise to a European system.
As for the VP pick, the nominee becomes the leader of the party. Unlike a corporate candidate, Sanders will not need to pick someone approved by the corporations.
He will pick who he trusts and can work with him. As for experience, a president sets policies. People hired by Sanders will carry over and continue to implement similar policies.
I'll leave it at that.
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Obama was a State Senator and only served 2 years in the Senate.
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And Obama had to have Biden on his team to get things over the line.
I think given he is is going through be 83 in his first term (if he wins) and he already has had a heart attack it's going to be especially important to have a VP who is seen as capable of stepping up to the top job as well.
Absolutely, which of course Warren would easily be.
On the other hand, this race isn't over and she could do better than what people are expecting at the moment.
In the US sphere, I don't see how Warren is the person to appeal to the independents and moderates in the places that matters. The midwest + Pennsylvania is where the election is decided and Warren isn't popular there. I actually think in terms of what you're saying, Klobuchar would be the ideal choice. She's midwestern, more moderate, a woman, younger, sort of has that boss/take-no-shit mentality, and has collaborated with Sanders on a few things based on her debate comments. I don't like her as the VP personally, but if the appeal to the center is the goal, I think she's the best choice. Personally, it would be a sight to see Yang as VP but I don't think the world is ready for that kind of bizarreness
Butt-bros!
The above segment was made just for Red Dreams to rail against corporate media.
It's still embarrassing though.
This is beyond pathetic.
Mind blown
He’s going to be Bernie Weinstein at this rate.
These attacks On Bernie have been going on for months.
MSNBC Viciously Attacks Bernie Sanders Again
MSNBC Viciously Attacks Bernie Sanders Again
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