2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Eboue said:
You contribute nothing and only come on here you insult Rd and I. It's ironic that you accuse me of not reading your posts when the last time we interacted you went off about how I would vote for bernie and only Bernie. Then when I and others pointed out that you were wrong, you slunk off for a few months. This was fun though, let's do it again in April.
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You have nothing to contribute either, so it's ironic that you say that. How about you actually vote and try and make a difference instead of being a keyboard warrior?
 
dumbo said:
In the classic video game Tetris you will often find that you have an opportunity to clear a line with the current piece. Upon noticing this the novice player will quickly take up this opportunity without any consideration of the consequences this will have on their overall build. This style of play is inefficient and dangerous.

Biden is smashing down singles and cheering as you top-out at 7 lines.

Warren is trying to understand the 'next piece box' and losing focus on the main build.

Trump is a misdrop on a Swiss cheesed, left sided well stack. It's tough to fix but it can be done:

Bernie is downstacking with a view to maintaining future stack health, burning lines efficiently and waiting, waiting for the 'I' piece.

Hillary is being plugged into the player 2 port and watching the demo thinking it's you.
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As a project manager, sometimes I need to fix what's on fire. If I don't the overall build doesn't matter as I won't get a chance to complete it.
 
Also maybe I'm wrong here but isn't the ''plan'' for Bernie supporters(The american left)to win the presidency and then to hope the global economy completely shits its pants in a similar style to 2008 ?

Because without a major crisis, there's no hope of Bernie being able to make any reforms.
 
Sweet Square said:


Bernie :drool:

Also the mystery of why anyone likes Major Pete continues.
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He talks good and is not 100 years old.

Biden being in free fall, and Bernie getting higher in the polls is very promising. Biden is likely still the favorite, but for the first time in this cycle, I think that Bernie has a really good chance. Especially with Warren fecking things up.
 
Sweet Square said:
Also maybe I'm wrong here but isn't the ''plan'' for Bernie supporters(The american left)to win the presidency and then to hope the global economy completely shits its pants in a similar style to 2008 ?

Because without a major crisis, there's no hope of Bernie being able to make any reforms.
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How would that even work? A recession brings bad news for the ruling party.

It would be good though to see Bernie fecking up the big banks (unlike the last time when the state bailed them, and a single banker got arrested).
 
NM said:
You have nothing to contribute either, so it's ironic that you say that. How about you actually vote and try and make a difference instead of being a keyboard warrior?
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Ah yes, let me vote Hillary Clinton so that she loses Michigan by 10,613 instead of 10,614. Done, problem solved. You are a genius. Too bad her campaign didnt have a project manager like you around.
 
Revan said:
He talks good and is not 100 years old.

Biden being in free fall, and Bernie getting higher in the polls is very promising. Biden is likely still the favorite, but for the first time in this cycle, I think that Bernie has a really good chance. Especially with Warren fecking things up.
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Biden is still the leader (although dropping a bit of late, or else Sanders is going up one of the two). Biden continues to lead everyone in the south, which is going to make it hard to beat him since he will simply gobble up delegates in most states.
 
Revan said:
How would that even work? A recession brings bad news for the ruling party.

It would be good though to see Bernie fecking up the big banks (unlike the last time when the state bailed them, and a single banker got arrested).
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Oh it would have to be at the start of his presidency or during the 2020 election against Trump(Didn't the 08 crash happen during Obama first campaign ? ). If it happened a couple of years in then yeah it wouldn't be great at all(Although depends on the type of crisis, I guess.)

I just sort of worry that the Bernie campaign really does believe the only thing stopping a ''mass movement''(This word get used so much these days) fighting for universal healthcare is not enough people being convicted of its benefits. I can easily see a situation where Bernie beats Trump and then calls for a mass protest for medicare for all and......................no one really shows up(Although the biggest concern and mostly likely outcome is the day to day like of the american presidency will make the grass roots campaigning Bernie talks about impossible.)
 
Sweet Square said:
Oh it would have to be at the start of his presidency or during the 2020 election against Trump(Didn't the 08 crash happen during Obama first campaign ? ). If it happened a couple of years in then yeah it wouldn't be great at all(Although depends on the type of crisis, I guess.)

I just sort of worry that the Bernie campaign really does believe the only thing stopping a ''mass movement''(This word get used so much these days) fighting for universal healthcare is not enough people being convicted of its benefits. I can easily see a situation where Bernie beats Trump and then call for a mass protest for medicare for all and......................no one really shows up(Although the biggest concern and mostly likely outcome is the day to day like of the american presidency will make the grass roots campaigning Bernie talks about impossible.)
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i think trump has shown that it is possible to keep some mass mobilisation even while "governing". bernie's advantage here will be that he does have (and as president will have more) mass organisations on his side - unions and activist groups. but on the whole you're right, it might not be enough.


related - i learnt that the democratic house/senate refused to pass reagan's tax cuts initially till he told his voters (via all his influencers) to call up their rep and demand it get done. the worried dems caved.
 
berbatrick said:
i think trump has shown that it is possible to keep some mass mobilisation even while "governing". bernie's advantage here will be that he does have (and as president will have more) mass organisations on his side - unions and activist groups. but on the whole you're right, it might not be enough.
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Not to do the dreaded Bernie is Trump comparisons but yeah I could see Bernie having a similar presidency to Trump(In terms of big rallies, shifting the political conversation to the left) but just like Trump I'm not sure it will lead to massive reforms(Doesn't Corbin Robin argue that Trump has for the most part being useless with passing policy ? ).

Although all of this could be bollocks if this happens -
berbatrick said:
related - i learnt that the democratic house/senate refused to pass reagan's tax cuts initially till he told his voters (via all his influencers) to call up their rep and demand it get done. the worried dems caved.
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We all know how weak the Dems are to the right wing but could they also be just a weak with the american left ?
 
Sweet Square said:
Not to do the dreaded Bernie is Trump comparisons but yeah I could see Bernie having a similar presidency to Trump(In terms of big rallies, shifting the political conversation to the left) but just like Trump I'm not sure it will lead to massive reforms(Doesn't Corbin Robin argue that Trump has for the most part being useless with passing policy ? ).

Although all of this could be bollocks if this happens -


We all know how weak the Dems are to the right wing but could they also be just a weak with the american left ?
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let's hope for a multidirectional lack of spine :drool:
 
Sweet Square said:
Not to do the dreaded Bernie is Trump comparisons but yeah I could see Bernie having a similar presidency to Trump(In terms of big rallies, shifting the political conversation to the left) but just like Trump I'm not sure it will lead to massive reforms
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It almost certainly wouldn’t lead to reforms due to lack of support in Congress, infact there’s a decent chance he would be forced to govern more pragmatically if there was a recession or a foreign policy crisis.
 
Red Dreams said:
He will rescind the Trump tax cuts and divert funding to Green new Deal and Climate Change for example.
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Would require congressional approval, which doesn't exist for any of the above (with the possible exception of repealing the tax cuts).
 
Sweet Square said:


Bernie :drool:

Also the mystery of why anyone likes Major Pete continues.
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If kloubchar Yang and gabbard don't get 15% in a precinct (will happen a lot I think) then there is around 21% if votes to be redistributed (presumably among the top 4)

After they revote it will be interesting to see how the picture changes

I can't imagine many gabbard votes going to Bernie for example

Equally I can imagine Yang voters going to Sanders/Warren

I believe for the first time they will show data for the original count and the second count.

Gut feel is Sanders will do well and quite possibly win the first count... But might drop back in the redistributed votes I think
 
Red Dreams said:
Climate Change has come to the forefront and has huge support from all sectors of the population.
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Unfortunately, it doesn't. A man who ran on getting coal plants back up and pulling out of the Paris accord wouldn't have won the last election if it were as you are saying.
 
sun_tzu said:
If kloubchar Yang and gabbard don't get 15% in a precinct (will happen a lot I think) then there is around 21% if votes to be redistributed (presumably among the top 4)

After they revote it will be interesting to see how the picture changes

I can't imagine many gabbard votes going to Bernie for example

Equally I can imagine Yang voters going to Sanders/Warren

I believe for the first time they will show data for the original count and the second count.

Gut feel is Sanders will do well and quite possibly win the first count... But might drop back in the redistributed votes I think
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Votes redistribution are only for caucuses, in primaries it doesn’t exist.
 
sun_tzu said:
If kloubchar Yang and gabbard don't get 15% in a precinct (will happen a lot I think) then there is around 21% if votes to be redistributed (presumably among the top 4)

After they revote it will be interesting to see how the picture changes

I can't imagine many gabbard votes going to Bernie for example

Equally I can imagine Yang voters going to Sanders/Warren

I believe for the first time they will show data for the original count and the second count.

Gut feel is Sanders will do well and quite possibly win the first count... But might drop back in the redistributed votes I think
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I forgot about Tulsi for a while. Surely her Fox News gig must be on the horizon soon.
 
One thing that seems to be continously forgotten by some here is that many who claim to be liberal or left or Democrat in this country are so in the very loosest of terms--I've had plenty of conversations with folks who still think things like Islam is so evil that kids shouldn't even be taught about "terrorism" in school, making fun of other countries like the US is the only beacon of civilization around, being very anti-tax, thinking Healthcare isn't a right/screw those who can't afford it, etc etc. In other words - people that when hearing that you think aren't truly liberal but plenty of those people exist and they vote Democrat too.

I get it - during primary time the extremes come out but it should remind people that by the time the general rolls around again - that it's not odd at all so many are willing to look past Biden s flaws.
 
Revan said:
I don’t think that he is the Messiah some of his supporters make him to be, and I think that he has been a very ineffective senator. So I am not sure that he would even be a good president, unless Democrats control both chambers of the congress (and listen to him). I don’t have a doubt though that he is a good guy, and cares more about the people and how to help them than any other candidate I have ever seen in the US elections.

Many of his supporters (2 of them here) are essentially in the same level of MAGA crowd.
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It would depend on how you define what an effective senator would look like. He's definitely made his mark as Presidential candidate over the last two cycles.
 
Katie Halper, Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald? Bro levels out of control!


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MTF said:
Unfortunately, it doesn't. A man who ran on getting coal plants back up and pulling out of the Paris accord wouldn't have won the last election if it were as you are saying.
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He actually ran on immigration, which he will do again.

What surprises me is he is gutting health care and benefits and his supporters are still solidly behind him.
 
If the only thing Bernie (who is a horrible prick of a politician but less so than the rest) does is convince America that their version of 'commie' is what the like of Europe consider to be normal then he has done his job. America needs a president who, without necessarily achieving anything, can normalise ideas like free healthcare and health so that eventually America can actually have a 'left wing' party. Although it is cute to see posters label someone 'leftist' when they'd be centre right in Europe. If you think Sanders is a commie then you better never leave America or you're head will explode.

Anyway Sanders is a terrible candidate (welcome to politics where everyone of them are shit) but this time you actually have a 'lesser evil' to choose, as opposed to rape apologist 'feminist' champion Clinton.

If the only thing that a moderate like Bernie achieves is to teach America about true progressiveness then he will have done his job. Then hopefully you'll be ready to elect a proper 'left' candidate and not some old rich guy masquerading as one.

Elect one of the others and it suggests you haven't learnt anything since Trump and that you are happy with the America you have now.

Edit: free healthcare and education it meant to say.
 
Raoul said:
It would depend on how you define what an effective senator would look like. He's definitely made his mark as Presidential candidate over the last two cycles.
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I define an effective senator, a senator who actually writes bills which become laws, and someone who makes contributions to the state he has been chosen from. It can be in different ways (dictatorial like Harry Reid or Mitch McConnell, or compromising like Mancin; I deliberately chose the extremes). Bernie has definitely not been an effective senator, however you look at it.

He has definitely been a fantastic presidential candidate though, no doubt about that. There is a reason why most of great senators don’t even think of becoming president, cause they already have so much skeletons in their desks while being senators.
 
kidbob said:
If the only thing Bernie (who is a horrible prick of a politician but less so than the rest) does is convince America that their version of 'commie' is what the like of Europe consider to be normal then he has done his job. America needs a president who, without necessarily achieving anything, can normalise ideas like free healthcare and health so that eventually America can actually have a 'left wing' party. Although it is cute to see posters label someone 'leftist' when they'd be centre right in Europe. If you think Sanders is a commie then you better never leave America or you're head will explode.

Anyway Sanders is a terrible candidate (welcome to politics where everyone of them are shit) but this time you actually have a 'lesser evil' to choose, as opposed to rape apologist 'feminist' champion Clinton.

If the only thing that a moderate like Bernie achieves is to teach America about true progressiveness then he will have done his job. Then hopefully you'll be ready to elect a proper 'left' candidate and not some old rich guy masquerading as one.

Elect one of the others and it suggests you haven't learnt anything since Trump and that you are happy with the America you have now.

Edit: free healthcare and education it meant to say.
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Why is Bernie a horrible prick? I think that he would probably be very ineffective, but why he is a prick? I think that his policies are genuine as is his thinking and ideas.
 
Revan said:
Why is Bernie a horrible prick? I think that he would probably be very ineffective, but why he is a prick? I think that his policies are genuine as is his thinking and ideas.
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Because all politicians are pricks. We all hope that one of them is different but they all let us down so I've learnt my lesson. However he is less of a prick than the others (although like the rest he is lying about his true intentions, which is personal riches). However America does need someone like him to at least plant ideas in the general public. If I were American he would be by far my first choice.

My opinion of politicians should be taken with salt because, to me. they are all lying bastards who are only out for themselves!
 
kidbob said:
Because all politicians are pricks. We all hope that one of them is different but they all let us down so I've learnt my lesson. However he is less of a prick than the others (although like the rest he is lying about his true intentions, which is personal riches). However America does need someone like him to at least plant ideas in the general public. If I were American he would be by far my first choice.

My opinion of politicians should be taken with salt because, to me. they are all lying bastards who are only out for themselves!
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I disagree with your generalization but I understand your point of view. At the same time, I think that Bernie is a good guy.
 
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