Seconded. He is the only one with an actual idea.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Its not. No surprise to see you and NM pontificating smugly on things you dont understand though.
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Remember when Bernie bros were criticizing Nationals fans for chanting Lock Him Up?
1 poll means nothing but holy feck I needed this
I would add 2 more points to Bernie....since he's a populist and draws higher turnout than expected. Same as Trump in this regard.
Like poetry
If you think it's stupid, I'll take it as a compliment.
People like you are the reason the US and most of the world is fecked.
The world is on fire, but if you don't put it out MY way, I'll let it burn!
Look at me and my principles!
If you think it's stupid, I'll take it as a compliment.
People like you are the reason the US and most of the world is fecked.
The world is on fire, but if you don't put it out MY way, I'll let it burn!
Look at me and my principles!
good grief.
when nm pulls a muscle from patting himself on the back too hard, he will be able to see a doctor for free thanks to president bernie sanders and medicare for all
too many of these brain dead libertarians crawling out of the woodworks on here.
best to ignore.
too many of these brain dead libertarians crawling out of the woodworks on here.
best to ignore.
I don't know of any libertarians here. Do you ?
you may have morphed into one yourself
first answer my question.
I don't see a question. Where is it ?
Hating Trump is pointless.
What do the Dems have to offer.
They still have not learned from 2016.
What do the Dems have to offer.
They still have not learned from 2016.
I would say no. A vast majority of Trump supporters are standard GOP voters who have always voted Republican. Its why he has something like 90% support within the party at the moment. There may be a small number of independents who have been vacillating between both parties since the old days of "Reagan Democrats", who returned to the Dems under Obama, and again defected back to the GOP under Trump. There aren't many of them but there are enough of them to affect elections.
The broader reality is that both political parties have gradually drifted away from serving the people (Republicans far more so than Dems) but ultimately, both are culpable. This is why these sorts of insurgencies have emerged over the past 10 years - namely the Tea Party, and the Trump and Sanders juggernauts.
The broader reality is that both political parties have gradually drifted away from serving the people (Republicans far more so than Dems) but ultimately, both are culpable. This is why these sorts of insurgencies have emerged over the past 10 years - namely the Tea Party, and the Trump and Sanders juggernauts.
Sanders clearly said we can get back Trump voters by offering policies that help them.
Living Wages, Health Care and free college for starters.
Not all of course because there are racists who are too far gone. But most are just angry and frustrated.
Clinton's NAFTA gutted the Rust belt. There is no longer a trust with the party of FDR and JFK.
Instead of trying to 'win' offer real policies that benefits everyone.
Perhaps that is why Sanders is rising. The party needs to get behind him for the long term good of all.
The one thing Sanders is doing that Trump did is bringing out people who did not vote before.
That wont happen with a Biden candidacy.
That wont happen with a Biden candidacy.
Well...something like half the country doesn't vote, so if he were to activate even a small percentage then he could win.
That is a real possibility.
Sanders has invested heavily in the early states.
My biggest concern is Climate Change. No one is proposing as much as Bernie.
So who are the aforementioned libertarians on the forum that you speak of ?
That’s what I alluded to earlier. The ones working heavily on his campaign are certain he will bring the record voter turnout and I believe so too.
How you aren't banned is beyond me.
If you read (which I don't think you do) my posts I said I'd vote for Bernie if I could. Then again, your more likely to complain than vote.
We have to reduce this to RD’s pov. Consider me the benchmark centrist for a start and consider everyone to the right of me a capitalist libertarian.
Pete getting a nice spanking here. Winds up looking like a bad audition for an Office episode.
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In the classic video game Tetris you will often find that you have an opportunity to clear a line with the current piece. Upon noticing this the novice player will quickly take up this opportunity without any consideration of the consequences this will have on their overall build. This style of play is inefficient and dangerous.
Biden is smashing down singles and cheering as you top-out at 7 lines.
Warren is trying to understand the 'next piece box' and losing focus on the main build.
Trump is a misdrop on a Swiss cheesed, left sided well stack. It's tough to fix but it can be done:
Bernie is downstacking with a view to maintaining future stack health, burning lines efficiently and waiting, waiting for the 'I' piece.
Hillary is being plugged into the player 2 port and watching the demo thinking it's you.
You contribute nothing and only come on here you insult Rd and I. It's ironic that you accuse me of not reading your posts when the last time we interacted you went off about how I would vote for bernie and only Bernie. Then when I and others pointed out that you were wrong, you slunk off for a few months. This was fun though, let's do it again in April.
I don’t think that he is the Messiah some of his supporters make him to be, and I think that he has been a very ineffective senator. So I am not sure that he would even be a good president, unless Democrats control both chambers of the congress (and listen to him). I don’t have a doubt though that he is a good guy, and cares more about the people and how to help them than any other candidate I have ever seen in the US elections.
Many of his supporters (2 of them here) are essentially in the same level of MAGA crowd.
very trumpy
One of Bernie’s Instagram posts confirms it for me: he will be the kind of President who will put extreme pressure on Congresspeople by leading massive rallies in their state/district. It really fits into the “not me, us” narrative that he’s been conveying. If you’re trying to judge his potential presidency by conventional means, then I can see why you might think he will be ineffective, but I will argue that you’re doing it wrong that way.
Some people may not like that style because it’s too in your face and out of the comfort zone. I get that. But, if making democracy work for you and getting the big money influences out of the way is something you value, then people are going to have to start participating in Democracy and do more than half assed attendance at general elections.
You won’t get that inspiration from Biden, Buttigieg, Warren, or even Yang. Only Bernie can lead people to immediate mass demonstrations and that is precisely because how passionate his base is.
Some people may not like that style because it’s too in your face and out of the comfort zone. I get that. But, if making democracy work for you and getting the big money influences out of the way is something you value, then people are going to have to start participating in Democracy and do more than half assed attendance at general elections.
You won’t get that inspiration from Biden, Buttigieg, Warren, or even Yang. Only Bernie can lead people to immediate mass demonstrations and that is precisely because how passionate his base is.
Brokered Convention?
Of course things can change quickly is a candidate gets momentum but from the outside looking in to me there seems a pretty good change that in the early states all of the top 4 will pick up some delegates and it also seems likley that they all have the cash (albeit some to a greater extent) to make it to super tuesday at which point Bloomberg and his ability to bombard half the country with adverts could even see delegates being split five ways in some states
Basically if they get through super Tuesday and the delegates have mostly been split 4 ways up to that point wont it be pretty difficult for anybody to get 50% of the delegates after that?
And in a brokered convention I guess Bloomberg has zero chance as he was a repbulican, bernie not much chance as an independent, pete probably not much...
Would they have to pick one of the nominees or could they just give it to hillary?
Of course things can change quickly is a candidate gets momentum but from the outside looking in to me there seems a pretty good change that in the early states all of the top 4 will pick up some delegates and it also seems likley that they all have the cash (albeit some to a greater extent) to make it to super tuesday at which point Bloomberg and his ability to bombard half the country with adverts could even see delegates being split five ways in some states
Basically if they get through super Tuesday and the delegates have mostly been split 4 ways up to that point wont it be pretty difficult for anybody to get 50% of the delegates after that?
And in a brokered convention I guess Bloomberg has zero chance as he was a repbulican, bernie not much chance as an independent, pete probably not much...
Would they have to pick one of the nominees or could they just give it to hillary?
The delegates won’t be split too much since anyone who doesn’t make 15% in a given state leaves with nothing. This suggests that Biden and Sanders will likely emerge out of the dust as the leaders, with Warren and Pete occasionally getting 15 or more in various states to make it look vaguely competitive.... until they run out of time.
Biden is a polished version of Trump. But Trump has done a lot of good too. He actually took off the facade of the American governments and politics. He showed the world what's it all about.
Bernie is probably the best one out of the lot.
Bernie is probably the best one out of the lot.
I really doubt it. Things change when you have the power to govern instead of being in opposition. Doing massive demonstration works when you are in opposition, not when you are president.
And many of the ideas that Bernie supports,won't appeal to most Republicans (or some conservative Democrats in Senate), so there is no way on pressuring them. Good luck on convincing people to protest on West Virginia about banning coal cause of global warming, or having Medicare for all. With Republicans it will be even harder.
The only way for Bernie's presidency to work is if he wins a landslide victory, in addition to Democrats winning the senate and further increasing the gap in the House. Essentially, if Bernie would have won in 2008 instead of Obama, I believe that he might have been the best president of the US since FDR. In a very divided country, withRepublicans actually controlling the Senate, I don't see him being able to make much chance.
Trump has been a tornado of BS and corruption. The only people who are happy with him are traditional US adversaries like Russia, and various other autocracies.
This is exactly what I am saying. He has taken it off the facade that USA is in it for humanitarian reasons. It never was for that. It was all for the sake of few people and companies. Just like Trump is in it for himself. The difference is that he has different interests. He has no Russian interest in it at all. It is all about himself. If someone else would get him benefits he would go there.
As for other autocracies, the Saudis lead everyone in this. This is the point. The US is in this for itself and Trump took the cover off and now everyone can see it for themselves.
He hasn’t though since he isn’t reprenting anyone other than himself and about 25% of US citizens. He has no coherent doctrine so his actions can’t be construed as lifting the lid off of real US intention as if in the final scene of a scooby doo episode.
Traditional US policy of promoting democracy, gender rights, religious freedom etc abroad hasn’t really changed much under Trump, unless of course it gets in the way of one of his personal projects (such as removing the Ukrainian ambassador to clear the way for his goons to dig up dirt on his chief domestic rival’s son).
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