Biden looks like a humanoid alien from a 50s B-picture. Why do so many of your old men politicians sport that same vacuum packed mutant look? When your crumbling empire is done how long will it take for Walt's brain to defrost?
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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These are people who think the main tragedy for feminism in 2016 was that a woman lost, not that a man whose platform was openly 'abusing women is fine actually' won. And their feminist analysis of her loss is to blame another man not standing aside for her whilst completely ignoring she wasn't a credible opponent of abuse of women when her husband who she used as a key campaigner has a long history of abusing women and she has a long history of discrediting the women accusing him of sexual abuse.
They do not care about the vast majority of women. They only care about the glass ceiling. The rights of the most powerful women to be as powerful as the most powerful men.
Sorry, I'm sure you've all heard this a thousand times but the appropriation of the metoo movement in the last few days, with people saying 'I thought we all agreed to believe women?' in reference to the Warren and Sanders fallout has been upsetting.
I believe the author of that piece also wrote this.
No one who gives a shit about the sexual abuse of women thinks that of Hillary Clinton.
The most telling part of that screed was 'But such is the courage of Hillary Clinton and her supporters'. Because its not even really about Clinton, its about her most hardcore fans feeling like they are the real heroes, who stood with their candidate through everything and truly believe they deserve recognition and hero status for their efforts.
She was my second choice behind Bernie for a long time, but she's shown repeatedly now that she's easy played and is terrible at controlling the press narrative. She let Trump play her easily with the Native American thing, and now she's attacking the candidate on her side of the ideological divide despite the fact this clearly benefits the front runner and without a clear strategy to deal with the most obvious defend (Bernie simply saying it didn't happen).
I've long worried that she wouldn't connect with working class voters well given the college professor demeanor, but now I'm feeling like she's just not tough enough either. As much as I dislike Clinton, she was much, much better at going toe to toe with her opponents than this.
The Democratic party abandoned its base.
Why we have Trump.
Biden will do nothing for them.
There will be no enthusiasm. People will stay home.
Trump for another four years.
Only hope is Bernie winning the nomination.
Why we have Trump.
Biden will do nothing for them.
There will be no enthusiasm. People will stay home.
Trump for another four years.
Only hope is Bernie winning the nomination.
how is citing voting record seen as taking shots?
My point is your reasoning for who would make a good president is the exact same reasoning people voted for Trump. I know you don't like him or think he's good but this is the exact same line of thinking they used. They thought he "spoke his mind" and was "true" unlike "seasoned politicians".
That's the problem we see nowadays. People forgot the value of an actual good politician. You need a good politician to implement policies which is the most difficult part.
Take Tulsi Gabbard for instance. An absolute nothing candidate but was popular for a bit because of her personality and what she said. I would take the most text back slimy politician before someone like Tulsi Gabbard.
Fake teeth and expensive skin care.
This is the last time I'll bother: I've not said that I consider speaking your mind and whatnot to be primary attributes I'm looking for in a politician.
And you've not addressed my objection to the notion of politicians being good at implementing policies: it doesn't matter if those policies are leading us down a path of no return. We got here with the kind of politicians that you seem to be fine with, and we've not seen the full consequences of these policies yet. A change is needed. And just to be clear: NO, I'm not saying any change or deviation from your run-of-the-mill politician = positive.
If that's not what you're saying you shouldn't dismiss politicians for being "cookie-cutter".
You're also talking as if it's always been a total disaster. The U.S has made a lot of progress in the past century through politicians as well. A big wave of change isn't always what's needed.
Right now we have a ton of issues that can be addressed with good policies. Biden has good ones and I feel he can implement them.
So when you say "we got here" I don't think these problems always existed or could have been predicted from years ago. To your point, a "change is needed" and a change doesn't come through words but politicians who can implement these changes.
Think of Trump from a far right's perspective. This guy is not just different from other politicians but his policies are something to align with -- a big wall and ID's for muslims. Did any of that "change" happen? No, because Trump is not a seasoned politician and doesn't know how to implement all of his policies (thankfully).
I get you're not saying that's all we need, a change from the popular politician, but I think it's necessary we don't go away from that.
And will you be voting if he doesn't?
What? If I'm not saying that plain-spoken bluntness is one of the most important traits, I shouldn't be dismiss politicians as being "cookie-cutter"? I really don't get how that follows.
You really think the US has been making progress in recent decades? The recent decades have seen administrations of either stripe facilitate the growing of the pharmaceutical industry which is now making tons of money off people's opioid addiction, ignoring the warning signs of climate change and merely curbing the growth rate of cuts rather than actually halting them and scaling them back (this being 40 or so years since scientsists started making noise about it), we've seen democratic and republican presidents enable the growth of the prison industrial complex... fecking Obama, for all his enlightened air about him, couldn't bring himself to accept the help of, among others, the Dutch when the BP spill occured, because the US had to show how in control they were.
Obviously there's been some progress made, but it's overshadowed by sheer shit, which is why people are so disillusioned with politicians in the US, because it seems to get worse regardless of how they're doing. This despite the US being one of the most resourceful countries on earth. This is obviously helped by the press, most of which are owned by massive conglomerates, and who'd rather divide and conquer rather than see the people unite and "overthrow" them (pardon the revolutionary wording, it was the best fit).
Some presidents no doubt care more than others,but right now we are at a critical juncture. Poverty, health, infrastructure, these things can always be righted with time... if we keep fecking up the climate we risk disrupting civilisation as we know it, which is why I no longer have patience for "good enough" and focus tested responses. What's needed now is someone who would care to make the hard choices that will help limit the consequences of the groundwork that's been laid since the 70s.
Which is hard to do, because people can barely think ahead 5 years, let alone 50. There is a lag between emissions and consequences, so we won't be feeling the consequences of today's emissions, which are record high, until about 50 years from now. Now the IPCC are getting ready to publish new findings that show CO2 to have a stronger heat-trapping effect than we've previously thought. Anybody advocating business as usual is seriously underestimating the consequences that are going to be felt by people down the road. Not to mention the rest of the earth's biodiversity, which we're laying waste to with the 6th extinction event, brought about by these good, decent, middle-of-the-road politicians.
Red Dreams abandoned his brains.
Why we have Trump.
Red Dreams will do nothing about it (Other than post online!)
There will be no enthusiasm. He will stay home.
Trump for another four years thanks to the thousands (yes it was only thousands in 2016) Red Dreams that want perfection and not progress.
Only hope is Red Dreams and others like him waking up, but since his name is Dreams who knows? He can keep dreaming.
More reasons to vote for Bernie, right ?
If the US election is in balance because of a few Bernie supporters not showing up, then Bernie has to win the primary.
Pretty sure many traditional Dems aren't voting for him either.
Sadly can't see any path for the Dems this election.
Loads of people don't seem to get this.
They believe we need to beat Trump at all costs.
They're convinced Hillary lost because the left didn't vote for her because they wanted Sanders and they think the left will do the same again this time.
They oppose Sanders when he's the only candidate that wouldn't face that issue and his head to head match ups are as good as or better than the other candidates.
Oh for sure.
I was just making fun of the awful argument that Bernie supporters need to wake up. If liberals really believed that the difference between Trump winning and losing is Bernie voters showing up to vote then the most pragmatic and sensible political move would be to vote for Bernie in the primaries.
Yeah unless there's a dip in the economy Trump is going to be very difficult to beat.
Yep. These people really don't a shit about electability, which is fine but at least be honestly about it(Although having said that I'm not they even understand their own arguments most of the time).
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I guess they don’t want to beat Trump at ALL costs then.
Lets not beat around the bush, a lot of them don't.
Great little find this
Matt Bruenig, undefeated king of the bros
I realize critical thinking is not your strength. Did you pass your A levels?
Please don't lie.
Post in the kiddies section if there is one.
I'd vote Bernie if I could but the US path to green cards and citizenship will mean I'm lucky to vote before 60. I'm in the Trump out at all costs camp. The right wing has fecked both my home and adopted country enough.
I actually passed my IB which is harder than A levels, but if you truy think school education shows critical thinking, it shows why you are deluded. Keep dreaming.
I apologize for picking on you, but you and Eboue just get me annoyed.
You should go to the kiddies section - they need to be taught how to dream. I prefer living in the real world. You should try it.
Every single positive change since 1900 from the original progressive checks on industrial age horrors (Upton Sinclair) to suffrage to the New Deal to Civil Rights and expanded social programs in 60s have ALL come from the bottom up and mass movements forcing slightly less cnutish politicians to implement changes.
Not a single positive change has come from the top down and all the worst wealth stripping and wealth redistribution to the global elites and conglomerates of the last 40 years have all come from the top down.
Please study some American history before making such silly comments
Honestly this attitude is why Ben Shapiro exists. You are like fuel to the right.
That's ridiculous. To suggest not a single positive change has come from top down is what's silly.
No change in social issue comes from top down anyway. By definition it starts from society.
You're telling me in 120 years not a single government initiative has been of benefit?
There is a ‘burn the system down’ sentiment among a good number of Sanders supporters, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise that rather than wanting Trump out at all costs as most Dems do, they instead view him as a necessary harbinger of longer term structural change.
There can therefore be no middle ground, and so if Sanders doesn’t win the nomination, it’s ok to stay home in November (or else vote Green) to keep the current status quo in place (Trump) as a pretext to try again in 4 years.
That's ridiculous. To suggest not a single positive change has come from top down is what's silly.
No change in social issue comes from top down anyway. By definition it starts from society.
You're telling me in 120 years not a single government initiative has been of benefit?
Go ahead and name a positive change then that has come from the top down without a mass movement forcing.
I'll restate examples of positive change that resulted from the the bottom up:
- original progressive movement that resulted in things like labor standards to prevent factory owners killing employees to the food and drug regulations of the FDA
- expanded suffrage
- New Deal, Social Security and all those policies FDR implemented were down win over all the people supporting Father Coughlin and Kingfish Huey Long and people leaning to socialism and communism
- Civil Rights in the 50s and expanded social welfare in the 60s were all a result of bottom up movements
- the horrible working conditions that caused the original progressives
- the Great Crash and depression
- Vietnam and Iraq wars
- Savings and Loan Scandal
- Iran Contra scandal
- California energy deregulation
- the MBS derivative money grab that directly caused the Great Recession
- Failure to address any meaningful climate change
- Failure to guarantee healthcare and prevent medical bankruptcies
- War on drugs
All the meaningful positive changes in the last 120 years have only been implemented after the bottom-up has forced the politicians to implement them. And all the worst (except for the top 1% who has profiteered) have resulted from top-down policies designed to benefit the elite special interests.
Don't play some stupid emoji game if you think you know history.
Go ahead and list the positive changes that resulted from the top-down without bottom up movements. I dare you
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George W. Bush extended daylight savings time be March–November.
On the real though, 1972 saw Medicare extend coverage to end stage renal failure patients on dialysis. I think that was a top down policy that had great benefit to society.
You are simply wrong.
Candidates like Biden strengthen what exists.
The 'slow death'.
what middle ground is there for people who do not have a living wage.
they have no hope.
instead they have debts.
they cannot afford to send their children to college.
Trump and others like him give voice to their anger and frustration.
Health Care.
If you are at the poverty level, you got it made.
Medical Assistance.
You are right. I will not vote for more of the same,if Sanders is not the nominee.
You’ve been reading too many Red Dreams posts.
and you are a centrist.
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