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2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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You’re overplaying that Bernie effect on voters because Clinton’s side is bitter about the loss and can’t accept that she was a bad candidate who felt entitled to the Presidency. Every candidate has a section of voters who vote the other party if their person isn’t in. Hillary in 2008 had supporters who literally had commercials endorsing McCain against Obama. It’s on the candidate to go out and EARN the votes. She didn’t do enough and she lost. A true leader will accept that blame on themselves. And if unity is what the establishment loves to preach, then they need to follow their own advice and drop the blame game on Sanders’ supporters for Hillary’s faults in 2016.
You might be right, that's the worst part.
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They’re endeared to him. He could say literally anything and they’ll clap. That’s how cults be, man.
You are right. Obviously this explanation doesn't take the militant fans for sanders or Hilary and that's the way it should be.
Watched the debate and CNN Moderators were a disgrace . It might as well have been on Fox with nothing but Republican talking points.
Pretty languid debate last night, which is generally not a bad thing for Biden.
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as I said before, Bernie is doing much worse than 2016, Biden is doing the best but I think has massive weaknesses that the primary won't touch (Ukarine, senility).
Then there is Warren. Many many polls showing her losing to Trump, and the averge has them tied IIRC (RCP is down right now). On top of that, her history of lying on Native American issues including on her job applications has also been totally untouched in the primary, and Trump will feast on it. Buttigieg isn't doing great either in polls, but he's the most unknown.
Basically, the field is bad, but Warren is probably the worst option. Her attack last night cannot be taken seriously. Biden and Bernie remain the 2 electable options.
as I said before, Bernie is doing much worse than 2016, Biden is doing the best but I think has massive weaknesses that the primary won't touch (Ukarine, senility).
Then there is Warren. Many many polls showing her losing to Trump, and the averge has them tied IIRC (RCP is down right now). On top of that, her history of lying on Native American issues including on her job applications has also been totally untouched in the primary, and Trump will feast on it. Buttigieg isn't doing great either in polls, but he's the most unknown.
Basically, the field is bad, but Warren is probably the worst option. Her attack last night cannot be taken seriously. Biden and Bernie remain the 2 electable options.
I genuinely believe that Bernie is the only candidate who could compete with Trump head to head, roll with the punches, get down in the dirt and come out clean with his sleeves rolled up.
I think Trump will struggle to get Bernie off message and control the narrative in head to heads.
That’s if Trump actually allows head to head debates to happen. I seriously doubt he will. When was the last time he had any sort of media contact that wasn’t sycophantic or heavily dictated?
The communism attack will be a problem for Sanders. Redcafe is not a good representative, most Americans hate communism and many think that communism and socialism (or even social-democracy) are the same thing. Trump will focus all the attacks there and Fox and co. will put ads 24 hours about how Bernie talked good about the system in the eighties etc.
Saying that, I think that Sanders and Biden have the best chances against Trump. I don’t know if they are favorites (despite leading in head to head polls against him) but I see them doing better than Warren. Buttigieg is a total unknown, he should haven’t even been a factor, but he is doing quite well.
revan is the expert on what americans think now
Who on earth said anything about completely moral? I get that there are grey areas, but EVERY fecking politician the past few decades has been in the pocket of big business. Obama's a great example. I don't know who in the CE forum you'd have to educate on the fact that he did some shady shit, we all know that, no? The US has been sloping towards an oligarchy for ages, and it doesn't matter if it's dem or republican, red or blue, they both serve the same master by and large.
If you simply choose the lesser evil then you remove any incentive for real change. People voting for Trump made sense to me. I didn't think he'd be a good president, in fact I think Hillary would be far better, but I also think we might be headed for far worse outcomes down the road if we just allow the lesser evil narrative to trump people saying "enough is enough". If anything the emergence of Trump showed that the US electorate understood that something was rotten, and I think the blanket condemnation of those writing in Bernie or abstaining from voting or whatever is a far too simple analysis.
BTW, saying Biden isn't a lesser evil is silly. He's a cookie cutter politician, has no understanding of the common man's plight, and would not bring about the changes needed to rectify things. Obama bumped the fracking rates like crazy, and also dismissed international aid when the BP oil spill occured because apparently projecting a strong image is more important than limiting damage. If we keep up with these kind of officials and policies, we'll soon live in a world that can't maintain civilisation as we know it. Fractions of half-measures won't cut it anymore.
Eriku, are you American?
I can't believe Warren didn't know the mics would pick this up
I like the 'Indian giver' one.
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Yes. Bernie should have called her a Liar to her ugly face.
but he is too nice a man.
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Incredible how she’s gone straight to mischaracterizing what he said on stage. Warren sold out.
She is much worse than Biden who at least respects Bernie.
Is your definition of a good candidate how much someone loves Sanders? Surely Warren is a better candidate than Biden?
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She is going to drop like a stone after this.
So I guess it was true she said that. Bad moment and time to say the least. I'll be VERY curious to see how she s gonna poll after this.
With recent developments potentially fracturing the left wing of the party, Biden's gonna "hairy legs" his way to the Democratic nomination and of course I'll vote for him then but meh, missed opportunity
As opposed to millionaire Bernie or t.v celebrity Trump? It's really annoying how it's become trendy to hate on "cookie cutter politicians". Do you even know what a politician does and what they are needed for? Do you understand how valuable a good politician is?
If anything, Trump's presidency should teach you this lesson. "Speaking your mind" or "relating to the common man" is NOT how you run a country successfully. It' s by being able to implement good policies. You need a good politician for that.
BTW, the common man knows what they need but are more often than not clueless on how to achieve that for everyone else as well.
All the emergence of Trump showed is that a lot of people hold this mindset you have right now. That somehow, someone "genuine" of the "people" is going to fix our problems and not good policies because that's too boring and doesn't make for good soundbites.
Only on an online forum would Warren be considered a better candidate than Biden if we are talking about defeating Trump. She would get annihilated in an election.
Is Warren burning herself to take down Bernie and get VP slot with Biden?
She knows she can't beat Trump
She knows she can't beat Trump
Apart from Warren I think either of them could "possibly" beat Trump. However, I think Biden has the best chance on paper. Bernie has a slim chance but only if the weeks leading up to the elections really tilt to his favor but less so than Biden.
That would be a stupid idea. Up until yesterday most Bernie supporters would have gone to Warren had he stepped down.
Millionaire Bernie is such a cheap point... And I've been pretty clear that I don't think Trump is a good president, and that Hillary would be better. I'm not sure how you arrived at the impression that I need a lesson in the pitfalls of falling for plain-spokenness, or relating to the common man as a yardstick for a good politician, I care about policies. The ones we've had so far have lead us to massive inequality, and we're at the brink of climatic disaster which will likely disrupt civilisation as we know it quite heavily. Good policies have not been implemented, hard-won rights have been sold off, and young people have seen their futures mortgaged.
A run-of-the-mill politician like Biden might placate people into thinking we've avoided disaster, seeing as Trump has now been ejected, and I fear that might cause complacency. Norwegian politicians have a fairly green reputation, and they are just as shitty when it comes to making the hard choices to transition us off fossile fuel, so I trust very few politicians to want to get off that teet any time soon, as they still have masters who have a lot black gold and whatnot that they want to get the most out of.
For the record, since you highlighted the common man line, I don't mean to say they know what policies should be enacted, but they recognise when they're being shafted. Hence the massive distrust of your average politician these days. HALF of eligible voters don't make it to the polls.
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If she thinks she can't win that is irrelevant.
I find it weird she's gone full Trump all of a sudden with the attacks on Bernie, it feels like somethings afoot!
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No.
Ever lived there?
Pretty sure Biden is the most common second choice among Bernie supporters. But Warren was likely third until last night.
For a short time. You angling to discredit my opinion because I’m just a random Noggy or? Where’s this headed?
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