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It is a 3 horse race and Warren seems likeliest nominee?

Would that assessment be correct?


Not at the moment given that Biden is the leader and there’s no indication she would beat him in the southern states. She is apparently doing well in Iowa but it isn’t particularly indicative of Dem demographics in most other states.
 
I agree. But what's to stop property developpers from snapping up all newly built houses and continuing to charge exhorbitant rent? I may be mistaken but I think the Federal Government has a program that provides low interest rate mortgages to vetrans? They should extend that to the genral population.

Property developers don't have a monopoly. Rents don't rise equally everywhere. They rise in areas where people want to live, while supply is surpressed.
Lending standards were tightened since the financial crisis, because one narrative is that they were too loose before and this facilitated the crisis. It doesn't really matter if that's true or not, because its already missing the point.
Housing is too expensive in many metropolitan areas regardless of the mortgage rate and affordable housing should focus on rents not homeownership.

Rent controls favour people who are living in the affected area for a long time while hurting everyone else (+probably reduce long term supply of housing).

There is one and only one realistic solution to exploding rents in metropolitan areas: build more housing. Everything else has at best no substantial effect or makes things worse.

This view is compatible with the whole relevant political spectrum. Everyone should be committed to it and the argument should be about the specific proposals how to build more housing in relevant areas. Sadly the reality is the opposite: most political actors support policies that restrict housing.
 
A new poll by a firm linked to Joe Biden is testing messages designed to undercut support among Democrats for Medicare for All

The poll was conducted by Lisa Grove of Anzalone Liszt Grove Research. Her partner, John Anzalone, is the chief pollster and an adviser to Biden, who opposes Medicare for All and wants to make government-run insurance optional.

Kessler added that ALG Research has conducted polls for Third Way for many years and that the Biden campaign didn’t request the survey.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...m-tests-messages-to-undercut-medicare-for-all

A "democratic" firm is trying to DEPRESS support for universal healthcare. :wenger::wenger:

When republicans poll their crap policies they try to scare support up from 30% to 51%. When democrats have popular policies (in the 70%+) they try to scare support down.

This level of disgusting is unbelievable.
 
It is a 3 horse race and Warren seems likeliest nominee?

Would that assessment be correct?
From polls, Biden is the likeliest nominee, but I think that Warren has the momentum, and if you go with 'gut feeling', then she has the highest chance.

I am not sure that Bernie is in the race. He is the 'best of the rest', but I think this is a two-horse race.
 
I think it's going to come back and bite him later if he becomes the nominee, like the Hillary emails thing. His son was there for no good reason.
Indeed, he doesn't seem to have been particularly qualified, didn't know the language and didn't have much expertize. I read that it was his first job in oil and gas industry, but I didn't try to confirm if that was true or not. It will bite Biden if he gets the nomination. Hopefully, it will be the end of his nomination before that, and hopefully the investigation will damage Trump too. Win-win scenario if both of them lose points cause of this.
 
Someone as useless as Tulsi Gabbard still in the race is pretty depressing.
Nah, she actually has some good policies, and she put Kamala down. I don't think that she is that great (I actually think that only Warren ticks all the boxes), but she's not worse/useless than any of the big 4.

It is Buttigieg that I find totally useless.
 
The Super Delegates chose Hillary despite their constituents generally preferring Sanders by a fair margin. Sanders supporters sued the DNC over them spending more funds on Hillary, iirc, and the DNC argued in court that they could chosen Hillary even if Sanders had gotten enough Super Delegates to win (the poplar vote he won over Hillary by a wide margin). They argued they have the right to pick whoever they want as the delegate.
Let's not go ridiculous now, Clinton got 3.6m votes more than Sanders. DNC definitely preferred Clinton, and the super-delegate system meant that even when Sanders was winning states, Clinton was winning as many delegates as him, in turn giving the impression that she is winning and is unstoppable, which might (likely has) influenced other voters, but pretty sure she would have won in any case, and well, she beat Sanders by 12 percentage points when it comes to total votes from people (which is less than the margin of victory when it comes to electoral votes, that one she won by 20 points).

The only reason why Sanders was even in the process was cause Warren and other established figures chickened out / were pressured to not run.
 
From polls, Biden is the likeliest nominee, but I think that Warren has the momentum, and if you go with 'gut feeling', then she has the highest chance.

I am not sure that Bernie is in the race. He is the 'best of the rest', but I think this is a two-horse race.

Yeah dude, the guy with BY FAR the most individual donors isnt even in the race.
 
From polls, Biden is the likeliest nominee, but I think that Warren has the momentum, and if you go with 'gut feeling', then she has the highest chance.

I am not sure that Bernie is in the race. He is the 'best of the rest', but I think this is a two-horse race.

Sanders is definitely still in it. You wouldn’t know it if you watched US tv since they are framing it as a Biden v Warren race, but the reality is it’s a three way contest, especially if you look at how the Dems have set up their 15% proportional delegate system where candidates receive some delegates as long as they get 15% in a primary. That will cull the herd very quickly once primaries start since no one other than the top three will get anything (except Beto in Texas).
 
New Q poll has Warren top at 27% and 19% with black people.

All of the other numbers look fairly standard (Biden 25, Sanders 16, Buttchug 7). Her gain seems to be entirely from Harris (3).
 
The Super Delegates chose Hillary despite their constituents generally preferring Sanders by a fair margin. Sanders supporters sued the DNC over them spending more funds on Hillary, iirc, and the DNC argued in court that they could chosen Hillary even if Sanders had gotten enough Super Delegates to win (the poplar vote he won over Hillary by a wide margin). They argued they have the right to pick whoever they want as the delegate.
My word. What a lot wrong here. The DNC definitely favoured her and fudged things in her favour but she got more votes, more delegates and more super delegates.
 
Sanders is definitely still in it. You wouldn’t know it if you watched US tv since they are framing it as a Biden v Warren race, but the reality is it’s a three way contest, especially if you look at how the Dems have set up their 15% proportional delegate system where candidates receive some delegates as long as they get 15% in a primary. That will cull the herd very quickly once primaries start since no one other than the top three will get anything (except Beto in Texas).
Yeah the first few primaries will start to see people dropping out who haven't by then leaving the main 3 and a couple others.
 
Unfortunately I could only read a bit as I don't have an account, but I get the gist of it. Well, good that both will be affected for it

if you're interested, try to google search for the headline and open the link through the search. it works sometimes.
 
Eboue or someone else with strong and what seems like relatively informed opinions - can you tell me why I should not be a fan of Tulsi? She is flawed like anyone but I generally like her opinions, voting record, and manner of conversing with those of varying mindsets. In my mind the DNC would be making a huge mistake casting her aside again.
 
Eboue or someone else with strong and what seems like relatively informed opinions - can you tell me why I should not be a fan of Tulsi? She is flawed like anyone but I generally like her opinions, voting record, and manner of conversing with those of varying mindsets. In my mind the DNC would be making a huge mistake casting her aside again.

Anti gay history, ties to hindu nationalists
 
if you're interested, try to google search for the headline and open the link through the search. it works sometimes.

The second worked. Basically all BIden's family look shady as feck. But I am sure he is squeaky clean, isn't he?
 
Eboue or someone else with strong and what seems like relatively informed opinions - can you tell me why I should not be a fan of Tulsi? She is flawed like anyone but I generally like her opinions, voting record, and manner of conversing with those of varying mindsets. In my mind the DNC would be making a huge mistake casting her aside again.
I noticed Tulsi always has the same slightly angled stance when speaking into the camera as if she's posing for a portrait photo. I know it's not related to policy or anything but I find that kind of thing disingenuous and fake.

Also I don't trust anyone who jerks off their own military service constantly. Like we get it, you served. Whoop de fecking do!
 
I hope this Ukraine stuff doesn’t make the Dems double down behind Biden.

Whether it’s fair or not, Trump has got Biden down and dirty wrestling him in the mud now. Regardless of if the allegations have any basis, Republicans, right wing media and right wing social media are going to be drilling this corruption thing and on top of him being an absolute tool, it’s going to resonate on some level.
 
Anti gay history, ties to hindu nationalists
Was aware of the anti gay history and I guess I'm a terrible person for thinking she has properly apologized for that - not aware of the Hindu nationalist ties - will have to look that up. Ty!

Like FM pointed out I do get a bit annoyed with the playing up her military service, but to her credit I feel like she s mostly used it to also enact some actual policies that appear reasonable at face value.
 
I hope this Ukraine stuff doesn’t make the Dems double down behind Biden.

Whether it’s fair or not, Trump has got Biden down and dirty wrestling him in the mud now. Regardless of if the allegations have any basis, Republicans, right wing media and right wing social media are going to be drilling this corruption thing and on top of him being an absolute tool, it’s going to resonate on some level.
Dude, this is THE Democratic Party we're talking about here.
 
Was aware of the anti gay history and I guess I'm a terrible person for thinking she has properly apologized for that - not aware of the Hindu nationalist ties - will have to look that up. Ty!
Personally, I can accept the former anti-gay stuff on the account that she apologized and actively supports LBGT agenda in government. No need to get panties up in a bunch if someone pivots in the progressive direction and continues that way.
 
Was aware of the anti gay history and I guess I'm a terrible person for thinking she has properly apologized for that - not aware of the Hindu nationalist ties - will have to look that up. Ty!

Like FM pointed out I do get a bit annoyed with the playing up her military service, but to her credit I feel like she s mostly used it to also enact some actual policies that appear reasonable at face value.

She comes from a conservative Hindu family. That is not her fault.
She not only apologized for her anti-gay history, she has helped pass legislation in that area.


  • .R.5 Equality Act of 2019 To prohibit discrimination on the basis of sex, gender identity, and sexual orientation, and for other purposes.
  • H.R.1244 — To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to clarify that all provisions shall apply to legally married same-sex couples in the same manner as other married couples, and for other purposes.
  • H.R 2532 Respect for Marriage Act
  • H.R.2119 Therapeutic Fraud Prevention Act of 2017, To prohibit, as an unfair or deceptive act or practice, commercial sexual orientation conversion therapy
  • H.Res.124 — Expressing opposition to banning service in the Armed Forces by openly transgender individuals.

She is right to talk about her military service. And she uses that to speak strongly against our Unnecessary military intervention around the world.
 
heres a plan let me know what you think, warren spends her two terms raising awareness and bring stake holders to the table and then in 2028 julian Castro runs on Medicare premium Xtra and successfully reduces copays by 30%. if there are no hiccups along the way only 150,000 more people will have died from lack of healthcare and only 5 million families will face entered bankruptcy due to medical bills. Its fine you guys, Warren is just as left as bernie is, shes a WOC and she doesnt have a toxic cult of bros for a fanbase
 
heres a plan let me know what you think, warren spends her two terms raising awareness and bring stake holders to the table and then in 2028 julian Castro runs on Medicare premium Xtra and successfully reduces copays by 30%. if there are no hiccups along the way only 150,000 more people will have died from lack of healthcare and only 5 million families will face entered bankruptcy due to medical bills. Its fine you guys, Warren is just as left as bernie is, shes a WOC and she doesnt have a toxic cult of bros for a fanbase
Who do you want to see as president?
 
Who do you want to see as president?
Eboue wants change and he wants it NOW. If he doesn't get what he wants, he will just sit in a huff and not vote. It doesn't matter that the alternate is Trump - it's go left all the way or he doesn't care.
 
heres a plan let me know what you think, warren spends her two terms raising awareness and bring stake holders to the table and then in 2028 julian Castro runs on Medicare premium Xtra and successfully reduces copays by 30%. if there are no hiccups along the way only 150,000 more people will have died from lack of healthcare and only 5 million families will face entered bankruptcy due to medical bills. Its fine you guys, Warren is just as left as bernie is, shes a WOC and she doesnt have a toxic cult of bros for a fanbase
Here is a plan let me know what you think, bernie spends his term trying to get Medicare for all (which obviously isn't the only solution to fix the problem anyway), but his lack of plan and collaboration with others means that it doesn't get voted in the senate. Then Republicans win the next term campaigning in anti-communism and the division on Democrat party, and then remove Obamacare, in process killing more people and bankrupting more families.

I mean, if we want to post scenarios which might happen, this is actually even more likely than the one you posted.
 
It is a 3 horse race and Warren seems likeliest nominee?

Would that assessment be correct?
it seems so but of course there is a long time to go
i do wonder if the whole trump / ukraine thing might actually help biden out a bit (show that trump sees him as a threat etc)
But for sure how the candidates stand on impeachment is going to be important for the next few weeks...
Warren currently seems to have the momentum but so far nobody has really attacked her in debates and I thin that needs to happen because (if) when she gets on stage with trump its going to be attack after attack after attack so showing she can handle that well will be important
 
it seems so but of course there is a long time to go
i do wonder if the whole trump / ukraine thing might actually help biden out a bit (show that trump sees him as a threat etc)
But for sure how the candidates stand on impeachment is going to be important for the next few weeks...
Warren currently seems to have the momentum but so far nobody has really attacked her in debates and I thin that needs to happen because (if) when she gets on stage with trump its going to be attack after attack after attack so showing she can handle that well will be important
How attackable is Warren on the first place? I mean, Trump will have his Pocahontas thing, but other than that, there ain't much attack which can go towards her. Of course, if she wins the nomination, Reps will make her Stalin MK2, but on the primaries that won't work with Sanders being quite a lot to the left of her.
 
How attackable is Warren on the first place? I mean, Trump will have his Pocahontas thing, but other than that, there ain't much attack which can go towards her. Of course, if she wins the nomination, Reps will make her Stalin MK2, but on the primaries that won't work with Sanders being quite a lot to the left of her.

I think the argument will be a disconnect with day to day life - pitching her as a "liberal elite uni professor (which of course brings in Pocahontas)... thats shes hillary MK2 and a nominee of the university educated elite liberals)... poiting out she herself says she voted republican for many years

As you say probably many more exaggerated or simply made up claims against trump as well but I think she needs to show she can stand up well to that (I think she will actually but in order to get ahead in the "electability" factor on which many will make up their mind as they want anybody but trump showing that on a debate stage would probably help her)
 
How attackable is Warren on the first place? I mean, Trump will have his Pocahontas thing, but other than that, there ain't much attack which can go towards her. Of course, if she wins the nomination, Reps will make her Stalin MK2, but on the primaries that won't work with Sanders being quite a lot to the left of her.
As much game-planning goes into these things nowadays, I don’t think any candidate will walk into a debate against Donald with any sort of naivety. Much less so Warren, who has the policy chops to confuse him with actual numbers and stuff.

The one concern would be Biden, who has baggage everywhere. But even then it would mostly only amount to two old men babbling back and forth incoherently.
 
Here is a plan let me know what you think, bernie spends his term trying to get Medicare for all (which obviously isn't the only solution to fix the problem anyway), but his lack of plan and collaboration with others means that it doesn't get voted in the senate. Then Republicans win the next term campaigning in anti-communism and the division on Democrat party, and then remove Obamacare, in process killing more people and bankrupting more families.

I mean, if we want to post scenarios which might happen, this is actually even more likely than the one you posted.
They literally do that to whoever the candidate is. If Warren wins they call her a communist(Also anti communism shtick literally only works for old boomers.)

Plus Republicans haven't won the popular vote in decades, Republicans only win elections when working class people don't vote. Now if the Dems had candidate with a massive working class base then they would be onto a real winner. Ah if only.
 
They literally do that to whoever the candidate is. If Warren wins they call her a communist(Also anti communism shtick literally only works for old boomers.)

Plus Republicans haven't won the popular vote in decades, Republicans only win elections when working class people don't vote. Now if the Dems had candidate with a massive working class base then they would be onto a real winner. Ah if only.
Bush won the popular vote in the elections of 2004.

Most important thing for Dems is to have a candidate which will unite the party. Leftists won't vote Biden, centrists won't vote Sanders (and independents likely won't vote him in large numbers). Warren is not divisive for the party, and IMO has easily the best plan. The only problem for her might be the perceived lack of charisma, and by extension electebility.
 
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