2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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No I would vote beto for president. I mean he sucks and he doesnt really stand for anything other than personal power but I think you could pressure him into tepid support of a left wing program or two.

Harris and Buttigieg though...both have volunteered to destroy the lives of poor people to advance their own careers. They are dead eyed freaks that I couldnt bring myself to vote for. At least I dont think so, saying this in september 2019.
 
Switzerland has actual mandates though so they’re still universal healthcare. They’re also not allowed to make profits off basic medical coverage. It’s good for them but I don’t see that working here because of the insurance lobbies here having too much power. Better for everyone if those companies went under.

Swiss per-capita spending on healthcare is 2nd in the world after the US. My friend there had to spend something like 14% of his (pretty awesome) salary on health insurance, and this wasn't even the best plan.

Private insurance completely regulated by the government. is a Universal health care ran by private companies. So health care still public in a political sense but the ones that manage it are private, so not comparable

It's not remotely feasible here and it's not what anyone is proposing and it's not something with broad support so thanks for that slice of life view of switzerland but it's not relevant to this discussion.

My point was that it is possible to have a working system which has on it only private insurance. It actually works in Switzerland, which is why I provided it as an example. What I think is important is to have a reduction on what people pay for the insurance, and to put every person to have an insurance. If (s)he cannot afford one, then the state should be able to give it for free. It if is totally public, or a very regulated market of private insurance companies, is not as important (in principle) as giving healthcare to everyone.

About the pricing @berbatrick , that seems a bit too much. I had only basic insurance when I lived there (which gave me what I needed, though it has some deductibles, but affordable), and I was paying 230CHF, which is less than 10% of Switzerland's wage salary. If he had a decent salary, it would have been closer to 5%. 14% is probably if he has also his partner and eventual kids, anyway...

For what is worth, I believe that that mandatory public insurance complemented (if the person chooses) by some private insurance is the best system (for example Germany has it that way).
 
We're talking insurers not providers though. So why would a private system in which profits are taken out be better than a public system where profits are put back in?

For some of us who have lived in countries like India, corruption is a huge issue when it comes to a public system. That kind of a pervasive corruption culture doesn't prevail in US based on my experience but public systems are not without pitfalls. For what it's worth, I agree with your point whole heartedly
 
My point was that it is possible to have a working system which has on it only private insurance. It actually works in Switzerland, which is why I provided it as an example. What I think is important is to have a reduction on what people pay for the insurance, and to put every person to have an insurance. If (s)he cannot afford one, then the state should be able to give it for free. It if is totally public, or a very regulated market of private insurance companies, is not as important (in principle) as giving healthcare to everyone.

About the pricing @berbatrick , that seems a bit too much. I had only basic insurance when I lived there (which gave me what I needed, though it has some deductibles, but affordable), and I was paying 230CHF, which is less than 10% of Switzerland's wage salary. If he had a decent salary, it would have been closer to 5%. 14% is probably if he has also his partner and eventual kids, anyway...

For what is worth, I believe that that mandatory public insurance complemented (if the person chooses) by some private insurance is the best system (for example Germany has it that way).

It doesn't matter if management is private. Health care in Switzerland is de facto public as is publically regulated. Private companies can't offer what they want but what the government want, they can't discriminate, they can't raise the price and is strongly subsidized also. In the end is more about indirect or direct taxing. Instead of paying your fixed tax to the government, you pay a fix price (regulated for the government) to the private

In Spain is considered public but there are hospitals that are managed by a private company. Still free but government gives the money to a private company to manage it (and they keep the surpluse, what it raise a problem as the service might lower the standards) and no one consider that hospital private

In the end, yes, a chair is a chair and a table is a table but you can sit on a table and eat on a chair, but both are hardly comparable like private insurance in us and switzerland

Switzerland system is way similar to the european, specially in expenditure (compared with high wages countries like the nordic) and quality
 
As far as management goes, I've had far fewer issues dealing with Medicare (initial start date and some bullshit with Part D) than I've had with private insurance, which give me issues at least once a month (people not knowing how to bill the proper insurance, randomly dropping prescription coverage, overly expensive, medical professionals who don't accept it, mis-entering my basic info into their system, + many more).
 
Working for the President is working for the American people.

Of course we have seen how perverted Trump has made the position.

Under normal Presidents. She went there at the behest of Bannon to meet with Trump about a job, so whatever she says has to be taken with a massive pinch of salt.
 


@Eboue should the bernie-bros get together and do a circle-cancellation


once again, exposure to liberals makes me so sympathetic to the bolsheviks.
 


@Eboue should the bernie-bros get together and do a circle-cancellation


once again, exposure to liberals makes me so sympathetic to the bolsheviks.

Who was that saying 'i agree with all that', surely he was taking the p*ss.

I don't get some of these American pundits.
Some days I think America deserves Trump
 
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