2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Revan said:
Bush won the popular vote in the elections of 2004.
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Ah my bad. Didn't know he actually won by popular vote in 2004(Christ thats depressing).

Revan said:
Most important thing for Dems is to have a candidate which will unite the party. Leftists won't vote Biden, centrists won't vote Sanders (and independents likely won't vote him in large numbers). Warren is not divisive for the party, and IMO has easily the best plan. The only problem for her might be the perceived lack of charisma, and by extension electebility.
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What party ? The Democtraic Party is really just a fund raising machine, it's not in the traditional sense a political party(Also Warren to her credit is hated by a major funder of the party - Wall Street, she is to some degree divisive).

As for voters there aren't enough people who describe themselves as lefties(Sadly) or centrists in america to make a difference. Trump won because of Clinton failure to win over working class voters.Both Biden and Bernie(Is there polling to show Bernie isn't popular with independents ?) have a base of voters that could win presidential them election, Warrens base at the moment is literally people like her - highly educated white middle class people, thats not a enough at the moment.
 
@Sweet Square minus California Trump wpn more popular votes in 2016. The dema winning popular was entirely due to how lopsided CA was.
 
Revan said:
Switzerland has private insurance system and it works perfectly well. So yep, here you have an example that private insurance works.
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It's not remotely feasible here and it's not what anyone is proposing and it's not something with broad support so thanks for that slice of life view of switzerland but it's not relevant to this discussion.
 
Eboue said:
Why dont you go away if youre just going to come out with this bullshit? :rolleyes:
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You contribute about 0 to most of the politics thread other than complaining. I do vote (not in the US since I'm not a citizen) but back home where I can. Can you say the same?
 
NM said:
You contribute about 0 to most of the politics thread other than complaining. I do vote (not in the US since I'm not a citizen) but back home where I can. Can you say the same?
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If you dont know what my position is, and clearly you dont since you got it completely wrong, then dont try to speak for me or put words in my mouth.
 
Revan said:
Switzerland has private insurance system and it works perfectly well. So yep, here you have an example that private insurance works.
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Private insurance completely regulated by the government. is a Universal health care ran by private companies. So health care still public in a political sense but the ones that manage it are private, so not comparable
 
Revan said:
Switzerland has private insurance system and it works perfectly well. So yep, here you have an example that private insurance works.
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Swiss per-capita spending on healthcare is 2nd in the world after the US. My friend there had to spend something like 14% of his (pretty awesome) salary on health insurance, and this wasn't even the best plan.
 
Krystal Ball sure sounds like a genuine name.
 
berbatrick said:
Swiss per-capita spending on healthcare is 2nd in the world after the US. My friend there had to spend something like 14% of his (pretty awesome) salary on health insurance, and this wasn't even the best plan.
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The biggest problem in US is not what you spend. heath care is expensive being private or public. There are infrastructures and personnel that must be paid via taxes or directly. Medicare for all it doesn't mean healthcare for free. No one has it for free, not european countries neither. You pay taxes

The problem in US is that the upsets. You don't have upsets in Switzerland. You will not pay a whooping sum of thousands of dollars (you will but you will get reimbursed) EVER, and if you are in an unfavorable position, you get subsidized. And you don't have to pay more because of your age, gender or any pre condition.

Universal care means that you look after as a society and being public or private (like switzerland), protects people. In US is individualistic. The older you get, the tougher it gets and more expensive, they can reject to get you insuranced. If you have pre conditions, you will get penalized, if you are unemployed, you are unprotected, if something doesn't cover you 100%, you will need to pay a huge sum that can bankrupt. Is basically an individualistic approach

At the end of the day you need to pick which kind of society you want a cooperative or a individualistic one
 
Revan said:
Switzerland has private insurance system and it works perfectly well. So yep, here you have an example that private insurance works.
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Switzerland has actual mandates though so they’re still universal healthcare. They’re also not allowed to make profits off basic medical coverage. It’s good for them but I don’t see that working here because of the insurance lobbies here having too much power. Better for everyone if those companies went under.
 
Eboue said:
If you dont know what my position is, and clearly you dont since you got it completely wrong, then dont try to speak for me or put words in my mouth.
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I call out when I see hypocrisy or things I don't agree with. Feel free to ignore me. I ignore you most of the time anyway.
 
Eboue said:
You claimed to know my position and you were factually incorrect. It's not calling out hypocrisy or things you dont agree with. It's literally getting facts wrong.
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Can't be bothered going through your posts and quoting the relevant ones. Enjoy your echo chamber, while some of us live in reality
 
NM said:
Can't be bothered going through your posts and quoting the relevant ones. Enjoy your echo chamber, while some of us live in reality
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That's right, you "cant be bothered" because you know you are wrong.

The simple claim is that you said "if Eboue doesn't get what he wants he will sit out and not vote". Despite me saying many times on here I will vote for Warren if she is the nominee.

No one asked you who I would vote for, they asked me. And yet you spoke for me and got it wrong. And now you cant admit it. If you cant admit you are wrong you ought to just feck off.
 
NM said:
Can't be bothered going through your posts and quoting the relevant ones. Enjoy your echo chamber, while some of us live in reality
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I'll help you out:

Eboue said:
No I wont vote for Biden or Booker. I would vote Gillenbrand, Warren, Bernie. I'd have to think about Harris if it came to that.
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Eboue said:
Harris is a prosecutor and prosecutors are rats. This is all speculative at this point. I would have happily voted for Warren two months ago, now I'd have to think about it. My guess is that Klobuchar moves to the left and if she does I would consider her. If she doesnt I wont. If Bernie changes his mind on Medicare for All I wont support him.
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Eboue said:
I would be happy to vote Warren, I just dont think she goes nearly far enough.
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Eboue said:
meh. id vote for her but shes not the answer
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Eboue said:
warren is fine but its really just gotta be bernie. no one else has the same popularity combined with good policies. just sucks that hes so damn old.
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Eboue said:
I'm willing to vote for Warren.
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Eboue said:
I want Sanders but I will vote Warren if she is the nominee.
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