2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Don’t think you’re wrong about her schooling trump in a debate but trump was made a holy show of in the 2016 debates with Clinton and he still got elected. He was constantly saying shit that was just flat out incorrect. His voters don’t care (whether they think he’s a cnut or not), they’re going to vote for him because MAGA or because of their bank account. So how much does that really mean? Besides... Is anyone watching the second or third debate still deciding who to vote for? ( genuine question, numbers would be interesting)

I doubt he’d go into hiding too, he’d just constantly call her Pocahontas on twitter and Fox News would tell half the country how much of a slam dunk that was, and they’d lap it up.
His voters don't matter if Democrats vote the Democrat nominee, and the majority of Independents go for the Democrat nominee (which I believe they will go for if Warren is the nominee). Clinton was disliked from more than half of the people who are eligible to vote, and a lot of Democrats weren't excited about her.
 
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His voters doesn't matter if Democrats won the Democrat nominee, and the majority of Independents go for the Democrat nominee (which I believe they will go for if Warren is the nominee). Clinton was disliked from more than half of the people who are eligible to vote, and a lot of Democrats weren't excited about her.
I agree with this which is why Hillary Clinton is always the wrong option. I just don’t agree with the narrower point that the presidential debates are that significant. Anyway Trump is wrong so often I think there’s almost a law of diminishing returns on the effectiveness of pointing out how wrong he is-I have nothing to back this up by the way :lol:
 
His voters don't matter if Democrats vote the Democrat nominee, and the majority of Independents go for the Democrat nominee (which I believe they will go for if Warren is the nominee). Clinton was disliked from more than half of the people who are eligible to vote, and a lot of Democrats weren't excited about her.

America is still sexist as feck though, and Warren can sound quite intellectual at times. Whether she’ll resonate with the whole country is still up for debate.
 
America is still sexist as feck though, and Warren can sound quite intellectual at times. Whether she’ll resonate with the whole country is still up for debate.
I've heard this a few times, but why being intellectual is bad and it is seemed as a disadvantage?
 
I've heard this a few times, but why being intellectual is bad and it is seemed as a disadvantage?

Why do American pundits keep asking ‘which candidate would you prefer to go for a beer with’? There’s a reason for that.
 
Why do American pundits keep asking ‘which candidate would you prefer to go for a beer with’? There’s a reason for that.
It's kind of weird why being smart and a professor at one of top universities is a disadvantage. Something you would expect from Soviet Union or China after the cultural revolution when it was cool to be a peasant, but not an intellectual.
 
I've heard this a few times, but why being intellectual is bad and it is seemed as a disadvantage?
Because bulk of voters don't know / don't care. They might vote for a simplistic solution (that won't solve anything) rather than a proper one which might make their life better. Religion, Race and other beliefs (guns, environment) do not accommodate for intellectual discussions.
 
It's kind of weird why being smart and a professor at one of top universities is a disadvantage. Something you would expect from Soviet Union or China after the cultural revolution when it was cool to be a peasant, but not an intellectual.

The USSR and China were very far apart on that. The USSR and its bloc in particular put a lot of propaganda value on STEM - the flag of East Germany had a compass on it, and they were scientifically and technologically pretty advanced. There was a big expansion of higher (and basic) education within the Soviet Union in the very impoverished and isoalted 1920s, as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioffe_Institute#Founding_of_the_institute

The suspicion of *all* intellectuals is Maoist.

edit - speaking personally, I had to use a Soviet physics questions book to prepare for an exam and found it fascinating: https://www.amazon.com/Problems-General-Physics-I-Irodov/dp/8183552153
 
It's kind of weird why being smart and a professor at one of top universities is a disadvantage. Something you would expect from Soviet Union or China after the cultural revolution when it was cool to be a peasant, but not an intellectual.

It is weird. But this is a country that in less than 20 years elected George W Bush and Donald J Trump to the presidency.
 
buttchug was asked a specific question by a climate professional who recently lost her home to a wildfire about 1) what his plan is and 2) how he is going to accomplish it and he spent 4 minutes of just talking about nothing before closing with "we all need to come together to fight this"


the guy is an empty suit
 
buttchug was asked a specific question by a climate professional who recently lost her home to a wildfire about 1) what his plan is and 2) how he is going to accomplish it and he spent 4 minutes of just talking about nothing before closing with "we all need to come together to fight this"


the guy is an empty suit

tell us something we don't know.

The DNC loves empty suits.
 
This thread just convinces me Trump will get reelected. All conservatives will vote for Trump while all liberals are busy throwing mud at each other for not agreeing on exactly 100% of everything.

also, I'm quite convinced Bernie Sanders is Johnny Knoxville in old man make up.
 
This thread just convinces me Trump will get reelected. All conservatives will vote for Trump while all liberals are busy throwing mud at each other for not agreeing on exactly 100% of everything.

also, I'm quite convinced Bernie Sanders is Johnny Knoxville in old man make up.

That’s precisely what Trump is banking on - Dems who are so dogmatically uncompromising that they stay home if the opposing faction win the nomination.
 
Thank you Comrade Bennet

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That’s precisely what Trump is banking on - Dems who are so dogmatically uncompromising that they stay home if the opposing faction win the nomination.

Joe Biden's Entire Platform: Nothing will fundamentally change for people (especially the rich people he made that comment to), the GOP will compromise with me because trump has gone, just swallow your policy positions and vote for me.

What position exactly would progressive compromise to? Accepting that Biden will screw over democrats in congress (like he did to Harry Reid), so he can win over GOP votes?
 
Joe Biden's Entire Platform: Nothing will fundamentally change for people (especially the rich people he made that comment to), the GOP will compromise with me because trump has gone, just swallow your policy positions and vote for me.

What position exactly would progressive compromise to? Accepting that Biden will screw over democrats in congress (like he did to Harry Reid), so he can win over GOP votes?

You won’t see substantial change from any one of them since they don’t have the votes in congress to move any substantial policies. The closest thing to change anyone can realistically hope for is a reentering of the Paris climate deal, reentering the Iran deal, stabilizing relationships with allies to where they were under Obama, some form of fix to Obamacare to where premiums go down etc. These are things that would happen irrespective of which of them get in since even Sanders and Warren would be blocked from Medicare for all and would be reduced to groveling for small incremental Obamacare fixes.
 
You won’t see substantial change from any one of them since they don’t have the votes in congress to move any substantial policies. The closest thing to change anyone can realistically hope for is a reentering of the Paris climate deal, reentering the Iran deal, stabilizing relationships with allies to where they were under Obama, some form of fix to Obamacare to where premiums go down etc. These are things that would happen irrespective of which of them get in since even Sanders and Warren would be blocked from Medicare for all and would be reduced to groveling for small incremental Obamacare fixes.

and the counter to that...is Joe Biden would START from a position of groveling for small changes to the ACA and then compromise on that position, leaving the ACA no different and achieving nothing more than before biden. So what would progressives compromising achieve? The compromise to elect a lame duck?

If Bernie, Warren, Biden can get Paris, Iran Deal, stabilising relationships, the only thing left is healthcare (in this example) and the positions are: fight for medicare (Bernie / Warren), make changes to the ACA...but compromise with the GOP on those changes (Biden).

What's the upside to that for progressives? Compromise to sit around for 4 years and do nothing...but at least the authoritarian orange man is gone? If that is the only goal of politics and legislation in the USA, they might as well pack it up and turn towards anarchy.
 
and the counter to that...is Joe Biden would START from a position of groveling for small changes to the ACA and then compromise on that position, leaving the ACA no different and achieving nothing more than before biden. So what would progressives compromising achieve? The compromise to elect a lame duck?

If Bernie, Warren, Biden can get Paris, Iran Deal, stabilising relationships, the only thing left is healthcare (in this example) and the positions are: fight for medicare (Bernie / Warren), make changes to the ACA...but compromise with the GOP on those changes (Biden).

What's the upside to that for progressives? Compromise to sit around for 4 years and do nothing...but at least the authoritarian orange man is gone? If that is the only goal of politics and legislation in the USA, they might as well pack it up and turn towards anarchy.

Progressives (especially the hardcore ones) are generally out of luck. Sanders wouldn’t have the votes to move his signature policies and would be reduced to lame duck status from the beginning. Warren wouldn’t fare much better. If both of them run on an uncompromising Medicare for all or bust type position, there’s a pretty strong case to be made that voting for them would be a vote for a continuation of the current Trump status quo, where there is no realistic healthcare policy that can be implemented.

Whoever wins on the Dem side, there will be immense pressure for an Obamacare fix that can be implemented quickly and is very possible with a narrow Dem Senate ( or even a 50/50 one). Sanders and Warren, in the absence of support for M4A, would be left with no choice but to pursue that.
 
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