2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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This thread just convinces me Trump will get reelected. All conservatives will vote for Trump while all liberals are busy throwing mud at each other for not agreeing on exactly 100% of everything.

also, I'm quite convinced Bernie Sanders is Johnny Knoxville in old man make up.

It's amazing how all of them are totally unwilling to consider they might be wrong on even one thing. And how dedicated they are to making the same points over and over and over again to the same group of people that not only dismissed them but ridiculed them just a week earlier. It's just one big dick swinging exercise.
 
This is really embarrassing for NBC. Second time in a week or so he’s been left off a chart.

Have you seen the reply from the NBC producer? In one post he is claiming that Yang has posted a doctored image but the image is clearly legit :wenger:
 
Progressives (especially the hardcore ones) are generally out of luck. Sanders wouldn’t have the votes to move his signature policies and would be reduced to lame duck status from the beginning. Warren wouldn’t fare much better. If both of them run on an uncompromising Medicare for all or bust type position, there’s a pretty strong case to be made that voting for them would be a vote for a continuation of the current Trump status quo, where there is no realistic healthcare policy that can be implemented.

Whoever wins on the Dem side, there will be immense pressure for an Obamacare fix that can be implemented quickly and is very possible with a narrow Dem Senate ( or even a 50/50 one). Sanders and Warren, in the absence of support for M4A, would be left with no choice but to pursue that.
Bernie's would involve people-led mass movements. He's got enough supporters who'd be willing to march and demonstrate and that would be difficult to ignore. And think about how many important pieces of legislation came about because of mass demonstrations? (Civil Rights, Women's voting rights, labor rights in the early 1900s, etc)
 
Bernie's would involve people-led mass movements. He's got enough supporters who'd be willing to march and demonstrate and that would be difficult to ignore. And think about how many important pieces of legislation came about because of mass demonstrations? (Civil Rights, Women's voting rights, labor rights in the early 1900s, etc)

Good points, but I don’t think that sort of thing will fly in the present as we are too divided and factionalized. If demonstrating moved the needle then we wouldn’t be in the situation we are in now since controversial issues like guns, healthcare, education etc. would already have been decided due to the sheer will of the protestors (consider the magnitude of the post Parkland demonstrations in DC and where we are on guns over a year later). It’s a good way to galvanize people behind a cause but it’s ineffective in getting members of a party to all vote a certain way, when most of them disagree with the policy.
 
Sliver should stop publishing his poll ratings for these early polls because they are impossible to verify or falsify, its just disingenuous click bait crap.

Its dishonest of him to have those ratings up when there is no possible way to verify all these months of early polls.

To believe the corporations that manipulate all MSM do not also manipulate polls is naive.

Of course you are right.
 
If she did, she would be polling high enough to make the debate.
While I get your point that’s not necessarily true. Given that credibility has both objective and subjective elements, polls alone can’t fully determine it!

Anyway I don’t think it will be too long before Tulsi drops out and endorses Bernie. It will be very funny to see how often Tucker has her on then :lol:
 
While I get your point that’s not necessarily true. Given that credibility has both objective and subjective elements, polls alone can’t fully determine it!

Anyway I don’t think it will be too long before Tulsi drops out and endorses Bernie. It will be very funny to see how often Tucker has her on then :lol:

The way I see it, she and a few others who are polling at sub 5% (but greater than 1%) are basically marketing themselves as attractive VP options for one of the top 3. The sub one percenters will run out of money soon, and with no debate exposure, will drop out very soon.
 
Yay

Billionaire Tom Steyer qualifies for October debate stage

2020 Democratic candidate Tom Steyer has qualified for the October debate stage after reaching 2% in Nevada in the latest CBS News/YouGov poll.
 
That's one helluva long trail...
 
If she did, she would be polling high enough to make the debate.

The measure they use to see who qualifies is so subjective/controlled.
They cannot ignore Bernie obviously even if they hate him.

Tulsi though a Democrat is not someone who takes orders from the party. She actually is a representative of her constituents.
Huge mark against her.
 
The measure they use to see who qualifies is so subjective/controlled.
They cannot ignore Bernie obviously even if they hate him.

Tulsi though a Democrat is not someone who takes orders from the party. She actually is a representative of her constituents.
Huge mark against her.

What does this have to do with the rules. She knew what it takes to qualify going in and couldn't reach the targets.
 
That's not the point.

Simply saying the 'rules' are fixed to favour the corporate candidate.
Is Biden a good candidate? He is useless. But the MSM pushes him along.
He certainly does not represent ordinary Americans.

If she doesn't like the rules maybe she should quit the party and run as an independent.
 
Perfect answer.
Anyone who represents their constituents should quit the party.
American Interests does not translate into Corporate Interests.
It is the interests of the American people.

She doesn't have to quit the party, but she does have to play by the rules that she, along with all other participants agreed to at the beginning of the process. If she disagreed then she could've opted out back then. But she didn't - she instead opted to stay in so there's little sympathy for complaining if she fails to connect with enough voters to meet the bare minimum standards to qualify for a debate. Even Sanders doesn't have sympathy for her (see his recent The View interview when he was asked about it).
 
She doesn't have to quit the party, but she does have to play by the rules that she, along with all other participants agreed to at the beginning of the process. If she disagreed then she could've opted out back then. But she didn't - she instead opted to stay in so there's little sympathy for complaining if she fails to connect with enough voters to meet the bare minimum standards to qualify for a debate. Even Sanders doesn't have sympathy for her (see his recent The View interview when he was asked about it).

I agree to your point about the rules.

And I don't need Sanders approval to approve of anyone.

My point was the entire process and the questions themselves are not aimed at highlighting needs of ordinary Americans. Much of it is aimed at the lowest level of 'gotcha'.
Climate Change for example which really should be at the top of the list is not even discussed seriously.
 
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