DavidDeSchmikes
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Get Mike Gravel on the debates!!!!
To be fair, they tried to exclude themselves already.South of US is the thing that will kill everyone. Last time, they killed any chance of Sanders in the dem primaries and all states went to Trump. This time they will vote for Biden. Just exclude the feckers
Harry Reid told me in an interview for my new book, was precisely his plan. “I wanted to go over the cliff,” said Reid, the Senate majority leader at the time. “I thought that would have been the best thing to do because the conversation would not have been about raising taxes, which it became, it would have been about lowering taxes.”
McConnell had a strong sense that Reid intended to go over the cliff and put Republicans up against a wall. Told that Reid had since confirmed that he indeed wanted to go over, a Republican operative said he found the admission unsurprising. “That’s consistent with his body language at the time,” said the operative, who wasn’t authorized to talk on the record about the negotiations. “He knew he could blame it successfully on the hard right in the Republican Party. Negotiations had reached an impasse. It wasn’t just spin, Reid was ready to go over.”
In desperation, McConnell reached out directly to Biden, calling him on the phone and explaining that Reid was refusing to be reasonable. Over the course of the day, McConnell and Biden struck a deal. “Biden gave Republicans everything they wanted in exchange for fixing the fiscal cliff problem,” the GOP operative recalled.
Biden, who served in the Senate from 1973 to 2009, and as vice president from 2009 until 2017, is now locked in his third Democratic primary contest for the presidential nomination. “The reason he has such good relationships with Republicans in the Senate is he never hesitates to put aside the highest priorities of his base in the interests of compromise,” the Republican operative said. “That’s also how you make life difficult in a primary.”
Sanders and warren have to seriously consider drastic action soon. Whether that means one drops out for the other and immediately becomes their VP pick, it's the only way to stop biden.
Biden has already told a donor-dinner that absolutely nothing will change for rich people, he wants to give the insurance industry even more control and uses lobbyist talking points to scare people over healthcare.
This is what happens when Biden does compromises with the GOP
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/24/joe-biden-tax-cuts-mitch-mconnell/
Why would either Sanders or Warren drop out when they both think they can win it ?
That’s not really how this works.eventually, one progressive will have to drop out to counteract the corporatist candidate. If biden can maintain a healthy buffer after the debates, one progressive dropping out would hopefully solidify that base behind one of those two candidates.
The worst position for Sanders or Warren would be to lose a large number of primary races because they split the vote. If that was to happen, the usual suspects in the media will be pulling out the "let's unify around biden" talking points and start claming that warren/sanders will damage biden by staying in the race.
That’s not really how this works.
Priorities. If they can't get their progressive candidates, they'd settle for dumping Trump.can you explain why? I get that not all sanders/warren supporters may choose the other as their "second choice". but if progressive voters are split between sanders and warren how do they pick up enough delegates to counteract biden?
Priorities. If they can't get their progressive candidates, they'd settle for dumping Trump.
Don’t worry man. Biden will kick himself down the table as has been shown from the first debates. And he had the MOST minutes. Not to mention Harris is with him again and she will tear him a new one, and more so since that yappy purse dog from NY won’t be with that group interrupting every 10 seconds.ok, but my point is, say (hypothetically) that Sanders dropped out before super tuesday. I'd argue the vast majority of his vote and thus the progressive vote shifts to Warren. Thus making primary votes on super tuesday a very close race between Biden and Warren (hypothetically). Right now, Biden is steamrolling, but doesn't outweigh the combined vote of Sanders and warren.
My concern is that if you want to stop biden, a progressive has to get a bulk vote % increase soon. Warren and Sanders taking 2nd-3rd place from each other state by state is not helpful. I'm hoping Biden's popularity collapses again after the next debate, but i worry that splitting ~30% of primary voters between the two progressives is a recipe for Biden to walk the states.
Yep. Biden will be a marginal improvement over Trump, and then set the stage for another monster in the next election.Sanders and warren have to seriously consider drastic action soon. Whether that means one drops out for the other and immediately becomes their VP pick, it's the only way to stop biden.
Biden has already told a donor-dinner that absolutely nothing will change for rich people, he wants to give the insurance industry even more control and uses lobbyist talking points to scare people over healthcare.
This is what happens when Biden does compromises with the GOP
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/24/joe-biden-tax-cuts-mitch-mconnell/
eventually, one progressive will have to drop out to counteract the corporatist candidate. If biden can maintain a healthy buffer after the debates, one progressive dropping out would hopefully solidify that base behind one of those two candidates.
The worst position for Sanders or Warren would be to lose a large number of primary races because they split the vote. If that was to happen, the usual suspects in the media will be pulling out the "let's unify around biden" talking points and start claming that warren/sanders will damage biden by staying in the race.
The only candidates that are actually promoting policies are Bernie and Warren.
And those who cannot see the problem is not Trump have a lot of catching up to do.
That would be great if people actually only voted based on policies - instead they vote on everything from identity to culture to gender to race to policy.
I do not dispute what you say.
But how does that invalidate what I posted?
This is a question that I don’t think has been asked enough of the candidates.The policies Sanders and Warren want will probably not happen even if they are elected.
This is a question that I don’t think has been asked enough of the candidates.
If you win, how do you intend to get congress to support your agenda?
Indeed. I touched on this a bit a few weeks ago when Warren released some of her housing policy and people had negative reactions to it... my point then was that it is one thing to talk about these great things that you’d like to do, but what of political reality, and what good are empty promises if reality won’t allow them to come to fruition? There would need to be a massive wave of progressive House and Senate wins to change the current reality in Congress.This is why the Sanders agenda may struggle a bit. People love what he has to say but may not be convinced any of it would ever happen if he was elected.
Indeed. I touched on this a bit a few weeks ago when Warren released some of her housing policy and people had negative reactions to it... my point then was that it is one thing to talk about these great things that you’d like to do, but what of political reality? There would need to be a massive wave of progressive House and Senate wins to change the current reality in Congress.
It speaks to the idea that people think the problem isn't Trump. If we were currently at war and in a recession then it would be easier to make the case for policy, but seeing as we're not, the fundamental problem becomes dislodging the person who is currently in the WH. The policies Sanders and Warren want will probably not happen even if they are elected.
Polls show Republicans mostly approve of the president’s racially charged remarks
https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...PSgdVk9MGgh64ZIScXmch_ZGdqSNPJ8ImlXu9FEyx1vZA
The Left to Right is on economic policy, so yes.I feel like they’ve exaggerated that slightly. Do they really think that Pence is as far right as it’s possible to go or that Yang is actually far right? Or that Biden is further left that Buttigieg?
The trick that has been missed is to make the single payer system pitch geared towards the corporations. Make them realize the numbers on how much they spend on health insurance for employees and how they’ll no longer have to do that in a single payer system. Money talks.They have no interest in the welfare of the people.
These same corporations caused Trump to get to power.
Say Bernie is elected, but the House / Senate stays the same.. then nothing would happen for at least 2 years.I would disagree that Bernie's policies cannot be implemented.
With power anything can be done as history has taught us.
The trick that has been missed is to make the single payer system pitch geared towards the corporations. Make them realize the numbers on how much they spend on health insurance for employees and how they’ll no longer have to do that in a single payer system. Money talks.
Say Bernie is elected, but the House / Senate stays the same.. then nothing would happen for at least 2 years.
Say in 2 years time, Dems control WH, House, and Senate, but there’s still a majority of moderates in office. Then some things would happen, other farther left things would not.
It would take Progressives flipping both houses and the White House for full policy changes to go into effect.
The bolded part is just nuts. Yes he will be a shit president, however even the cecession of the racist empowerment that is being currently encouraged by the sitting president will be enough for him to be a significant improvement over trump.Yep. Biden will be a marginal improvement over Trump, and then set the stage for another monster in the next election.
Democrats need another Harry Reid who doesn't take shit from Republicans. Pelosi and Schumer are 'too nice' and willing to compromise, which doesn't work when you have McConnell and Trump at the other side of the table.
The bolded part is just nuts. Yes he will be a shit president, however even the cecession of the racist empowerment that is being currently encouraged by the sitting president will be enough for him to be a significant improvement over trump.
Unless I’ve missed it though, I’ve not seen it pitched to corporations and small businesses as “you’ll save X amount of money that you could be putting towards Y under my plan” and they could easily personalize those numbers to the largest, most influential corporations to try to get them on board.Single payer/Medicare For All has been eloquently explained by Bernie. But corporate presenters always bring up the same nonsense. "People like to keep plans they like." Well as he has said, you can keep your same doctors and clinics/hospitals except you wont pay premiums,co pays or Deductibles. These same people lie about what it costs. Trillions being thrown about. This is simply a lie.
We pay 1.45% in payroll taxes for Medicare. The employer matches this. Even if say we raise that to 2 % each, its huge savings on Health Care costs to both employee and employer.
We save on Medicaid Funding just like that.
The economy benefits across the board.
It’s easy to say that, but a Bernie winning a national election will not necessarily lead to a Progressive House and a Progressive Senate... especially since, as @Raoul stated, the Southeast and Southwest aren’t producing progressive candidates.OK 2020.
Enthusiasm will decide who keeps Congress. A candidate like Bernie will simply have both houses with him when he comes to power.
With a Biden there is every chance of losing both houses.
I'm pretty sure Sanders and Warren aren't taking voters from the same pool. 2nd choice for Sander voters is Biden and 2nd choice for Warren voters is Harris.Sanders and warren have to seriously consider drastic action soon. Whether that means one drops out for the other and immediately becomes their VP pick, it's the only way to stop biden.
He will talk less bullshit, but in the end, there won't be many differences. And will likely result in another Trump in 2024.The bolded part is just nuts. Yes he will be a shit president, however even the cecession of the racist empowerment that is being currently encouraged by the sitting president will be enough for him to be a significant improvement over trump.
Gabbard being as left as Sanders and Yang being very much in the right is a bit surprising.
So you think trump shouting 'send them back' is just 'talking bullshit' ?He will talk less bullshit, but in the end, there won't be many differences. And will likely result in another Trump in 2024.
I would honestly take Trump for another 4 years, and then a progressive like AOC in 2024, then Biden for 4 years and then a far-right Republican after that.
Enthusiasm will decide who keeps Congress. A candidate like Bernie will simply have both houses with him when he comes to power.
With a Biden there is every chance of losing both houses.
Yep, realized that after making the post, and then edited it.O’Rourke and Pence aren’t near one another on the graph, just where their names are listed. Look at the dots.