2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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This one is special because of all the people telling her that her degree is worthless. It shows the level to which capitalism has brainwashed us. Who needs books and learning when you can learn to code for some faceless multinational corporation or get a CDL and work for walmart?

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A consultant for a yacht company is yelling at someone with a PHD.

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most of the people laughing at her for getting a PhD and becoming a professor are also poor or middle class and would benefit greatly from free education but instead theyve been brainwashed into "I'd rather go to bed without dinner than take on debt" or "clearly you didnt take an economics course [cry laughing emoji]". Americans are just such a cruel people
 
Eboue said:
most of the people laughing at her for getting a PhD and becoming a professor are also poor or middle class and would benefit greatly from free education but instead theyve been brainwashed into "I'd rather go to bed without dinner than take on debt" or "clearly you didnt take an economics course [cry laughing emoji]". Americans are just such a cruel people
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Also we have a perverted concept of "self made" not realizing that we make it with the benefits from society even as it currently is.
 
Eboue said:


Look at some of these comments









This one is special because of all the people telling her that her degree is worthless. It shows the level to which capitalism has brainwashed us. Who needs books and learning when you can learn to code for some faceless multinational corporation or get a CDL and work for walmart?

Like this dickhead



A consultant for a yacht company is yelling at someone with a PHD.

incredible country
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It's surprising. Why would people have $80-100k debt to be a teacher? All you need is a bachelor's degree and some teaching courses, right? A masters/PhD would help being a college/tenured professor, but still the payscale should match the debt incurred. I mean people do have an idea on what career they'd like to be, the cost to pursue that the potential compensation they'd get....before getting into debt. One of the tweets mention that the person is a MA in Literature. Surely it should have been obvious that the compensation ceiling for jobs in that line are limited and not really worth the $80k debt?

I had the same discussion with the bartender at my local pub couple of weeks ago. She was exploring social welfare courses in social or criminal justice to help juvenile offenders. Laudable careers, but definitely would not make financial sense to incur a $50k debt for this as the benefit for these careers focus more than the monetary compensation.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
It's surprising. Why would people have $80-100k debt to be a teacher? All you need is a bachelor's degree and some teaching courses, right? A masters/PhD would help being a college/tenured professor, but still the payscale should match the debt incurred. I mean people do have an idea on what career they'd like to be, the cost to pursue that the potential compensation they'd get....before getting into debt. One of the tweets mention that the person is a MA in Literature. Surely it should have been obvious that the compensation ceiling for jobs in that line are limited and not really worth the $80k debt?

I had the same discussion with the bartender at my local pub couple of weeks ago. She was exploring social welfare courses in social or criminal justice to help juvenile offenders. Laudable careers, but definitely would not make financial sense to incur a $50k debt for this as the benefit for these careers focus more than the monetary compensation.
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If you have to choose between someone with a Masters and someone with a Bachelors to teach in your high school, you'll choose the person with the Masters. It's not required but many schools give it significant preference.

And it's very easy to incur debt of $80K from only your first degree.
 
This attitude of hating poor people is tiresome. Why is tuition $80k in the first place? Should be illegal to charge that much.
 
adexkola said:
If you have to choose between someone with a Masters and someone with a Bachelors to teach in your high school, you'll choose the person with the Masters. It's not required but many schools give it significant preference.

And it's very easy to incur debt of $80K from only your first degree.
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I was just doing some basic googling on pay scale for teachers and get this.

High school teacher salary - $55k
College professor salary - $75k
Associate professor - $85k
Full professor - $110k

Unless you can make full professor, getting into a $80-100k debt doesn't sound as a smart thing to do.
 
Florida Man said:
This attitude of hating poor people is tiresome. Why is tuition $80k in the first place? Should be illegal to charge that much.
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Agree in principle. Practically, I feel strudends needs to have better career counselling on the financial side, so they understand the consequences of getting into debt. Is there something available currently?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Agree in principle. Practically, I feel strudends needs to have better career counselling on the financial side, so they understand the consequences of getting into debt. Is there something available currently?
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The whole higher education system needs reform:
Move majority of majors into technical or vocational schools and stop overprescribing college.
Gut the gigantic admin bloat in universities.
Overhaul the textbook scams.
Reshape the thinking of college’s purpose as an investment into our country’s future by making all colleges tuition-free.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I was just doing some basic googling on pay scale for teachers and get this.

High school teacher salary - $55k
College professor salary - $75k
Associate professor - $85k
Full professor - $110k

Unless you can make full professor, getting into a $80-100k debt doesn't sound as a smart thing to do.
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It's very hard to become a full professor with tenure today. More universities are hiring adjuncts they pay peanuts to teach.
 
Eboue said:
van gogh lived in poverty. should have learned to code bitch
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The majority of artists, student of culture/arts/literature and teachers have lived in comparative poverty throughout history.

It needs to be rectified, but that’s not unique to America. Even in a society where Confucius learning was revered like ancient/dynastic China, the majority of its disciples were always worse off than traders/bureaucrats/landowners. Cancelling the debts and make college tuition free are the beginning, they would still face a worse career prospects without a fundamental rethinking of what society at large should prioritise.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The majority of artists, student of culture/arts/literature and teachers have lived in comparative poverty throughout history.

It needs to be rectified, but that’s not unique to America. Even in a society where Confucius learning was revered like ancient/dynastic China, the majority of its disciples were always worse off than traders/bureaucrats/landowners. Cancelling the debts and make college tuition free are the beginning, they would still face a worse career prospects without a fundamental rethinking of what society at large should prioritise.
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Not all college majors should be about getting jobs though. Learning for the sake of scholarship should be part of society and in my opinion a worthy investment.
 
I can relate to those tweets. High school teacher & coach. $33,000 in debt from my master’s degree.

By the time my wife completes her nurse practitioners, she will be about $65,000 in debt.
 
My sister pays $63,000 a year. I don't know what they teach her. It's ridiculous.
 
Adisa said:
My sister pays $63,000 a year. I don't know what they teach her. It's ridiculous.
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I'm a TA at a college where tuition is exorbitant. Some times I feel guilt given the disparity of what they pay and the quality I can give. Other times I feel something else looking at the disparity of what they pay and what I receive. (I teach ~16-20 students/sem, each of whose annual tuition is about double of my annual salary).
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I was just doing some basic googling on pay scale for teachers and get this.

High school teacher salary - $55k
College professor salary - $75k
Associate professor - $85k
Full professor - $110k

Unless you can make full professor, getting into a $80-100k debt doesn't sound as a smart thing to do.
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Professor's salaries are negotiated in US, not fixed like in Europe. There are assistant professors who earn north of 100k, immediately after starting their jobs. And for full professors, it can get much higher than that.
 
Sweet Square said:
Primaries already over ? Jesus that was quick, who won ?
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The Medicare for all bit is the more important part of her comment. It won’t be the law of the land, even if Sanders is improbably elected. The political conditions aren’t there in terms of congressional support, so the likeliest scenario would be a failed attempt at M4A and 4 more years of Obamacare.
 
Raoul said:
The Medicare for all bit is the more important part of her comment. It won’t be the law of the land, even if Sanders is improbably elected. The political conditions aren’t there in terms of congressional support, so the likeliest scenario would be a failed attempt at M4A and 4 more years of Obamacare.
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Well yeah things would have to change but to get any chance of starting change involves Bernie winning.
 
Sweet Square said:
Well yeah things would have to change but to get any chance of starting change involves Bernie winning.
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There are many ways to get to change that don’t involve Sanders. I personally think he is going to have a very hard route to the nomination because of Warren and the 15% thresholds candidates have to meet in order to get a proportional share of delegates in each state. Under such a scenario if Biden wins a state by getting 35% Sanders and Warren each get 14, only Biden takes delegates. When you extrapolate that over all primary and caucus states, it makes it exponentially more difficult for the #2 and #3 candidates to win, especially when they are largely drawing from the same voter bases.

In order for Sanders or Warren to do well, they would need to at a minimum, draw even or better with Biden and hope none of the people currently behind them (Harris, Buttigieg, or Beto) overtake them.

Sanders will ultimately have to compensate for the reality that he doesn’t have the luxury of just running against one person as he did in 16, which he apparently isn’t doing so far despite being a known commodity to voters after 16.
 
Florida Man said:
Not all college majors should be about getting jobs though. Learning for the sake of scholarship should be part of society and in my opinion a worthy investment.
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I agree.

The point I made is that humankind have always devalued learning for the sake of learning in comparison to careers that create, let’s say, more obvious economic commodities. Without changing that mindset, you can’t level the pay difference.
 
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