2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Beto has a chance at nomination. Warren honestly doesn't. She need a big moment to happen to her to have a chance because I can't see her campaign creating one naturally.

I honestly don't think Beto has a chance either. I think it's going to be one of Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg or Harris. Beto had to have a moment, but that moment never really came after he announced. Buttigieg is currently having his. Bernie and Sanders don't need one, and Harris may or may not need one.

Of course, it's 2019. I don't remember who was leading in the polls in the Republican primaries by this time in 2015, but it sure as hell wasn't Trump. Scott Walker was polling at nearly 15%.
 
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I honestly don't think Beto has a chance either. I think it's going to be one of Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg or Harris. Beto had to have a moment, but that moment never really came after he announced. Buttigieg is currently having his. Bernie and Sanders don't need one, and Harris may or may not need one.

Of course, it's 2019. I don't remember who was leading in the polls in the Republican primaries by this time in 2015, but it sure as hell wasn't Trump. Scott Walker was polling at nearly 15%.
Sceptical on Buttigieg's chances myself.

Biden is simultaneously the Jeb (establishment favourite with the cash and endorsements) and the Trump (everyone keeps expecting him to slip up and plunge soon, also ancient and wandering hands).
 
I’d say about 5 candidates have a chance of winning the nomination, especially when you consider that early leaders often don’t wind up as the nominee.

Bet it’ll be a white male. We’re going to see people fall back into the “safe zone” scared that any sort of diversity will be perceived as a weak point Trump will dog whistle at and his supporters will bark at.
 
Bet it’ll be a white male. We’re going to see people fall back into the “safe zone” scared that any sort of diversity will be perceived as a weak point Trump will dog whistle at and his supporters will bark at.

The Trump dog whistle will be "socialism" and the nominee will be a relatively safe candidate who does not promise immediate upheaval. In some quarters Trump is such an easy man to beat they think 2020 is a chance for generational change. In others they don't want to risk it. I think the latter outnumbers the former.

I notice one thing about Harris that could be very advantageous. She often talks about "needing to have a conversation" about certain issues.

What happens after the conversation? Maybe policy changes, maybe a committee formed to expand the conversation (and buy time).

It's a phrase that is satisfying enough that she acknowledges the issue but vague enough for interpretation and Trump can't attack her for it.
 
The Trump dog whistle will be "socialism" and the nominee will be a relatively safe candidate who does not promise immediate upheaval. In some quarters Trump is such an easy man to beat they think 2020 is a chance for generational change. In others they don't want to risk it. I think the latter outnumbers the former.

I notice one thing about Harris that could be very advantageous. She often talks about "needing to have a conversation" about certain issues.

What happens after the conversation? Maybe policy changes, maybe a committee formed to expand the conversation (and buy time).

It's a phrase that is satisfying enough that she acknowledges the issue but vague enough for interpretation and Trump can't attack her for it.

'All she says is 'need to have a conversation', 'need to have a conversation', 'we need to have a conversation'. But she never says what she intends to do after the conversation. So wishy washy. I have conversations every day, conversations with the worlds most influencial people believe me nobody has more conversations than I do, she needs to have conversations, I'm already having conversations. But not with the Russians. There's no problem there I guarantee you, no collusion.'
 
The Trump dog whistle will be "socialism" and the nominee will be a relatively safe candidate who does not promise immediate upheaval. In some quarters Trump is such an easy man to beat they think 2020 is a chance for generational change. In others they don't want to risk it. I think the latter outnumbers the former.

I notice one thing about Harris that could be very advantageous. She often talks about "needing to have a conversation" about certain issues.

What happens after the conversation? Maybe policy changes, maybe a committee formed to expand the conversation (and buy time).

It's a phrase that is satisfying enough that she acknowledges the issue but vague enough for interpretation and Trump can't attack her for it.
Harris is staunchly tough on guns. That’ll be a huge deal for many voters. It’s crazy that it’s like that :lol: There are some serious existential problems in this world and some people prioritize guns above all.
 
The Trump dog whistle will be "socialism" and the nominee will be a relatively safe candidate who does not promise immediate upheaval. In some quarters Trump is such an easy man to beat they think 2020 is a chance for generational change. In others they don't want to risk it. I think the latter outnumbers the former.

I notice one thing about Harris that could be very advantageous. She often talks about "needing to have a conversation" about certain issues.

What happens after the conversation? Maybe policy changes, maybe a committee formed to expand the conversation (and buy time).

It's a phrase that is satisfying enough that she acknowledges the issue but vague enough for interpretation and Trump can't attack her for it.

While Trump will throw out the socialism/communism buzz words whenever Bernie policies are brought up, the real dog whistle is all the culture war stuff from immigration to all the 'liberals are anti-free speech' and liberals want to kill babies (like what Trump just said yesterday).
 
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Among the ideologues on either side of the Dem divide, I'm interested in whether there's a significant portion of the party who are ultimately just interested most in whichever candidate seems strong and looks likely to get Trump out: i.e. people who might hypothetically be on the left, but who'll be incredibly enthusiastic for Biden if he runs a strong campaign, and vice versa. Interesting to think about although don't have any figures on it.
 
Among the ideologues on either side of the Dem divide, I'm interested in whether there's a significant portion of the party who are ultimately just interested most in whichever candidate seems strong and looks likely to get Trump out: i.e. people who might hypothetically be on the left, but who'll be incredibly enthusiastic for Biden if he runs a strong campaign, and vice versa. Interesting to think about although don't have any figures on it.

That's precisely the case. The Dems are significantly more interested in someone who can beat Trump over all else, even if it means they disagree with that person's policy positions.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_020419.pdf/

In considering who should be their party’s standard bearer, a majority of 56% prefer someone who would be a strong candidate against Trump even if they disagree with that candidate on most issues. Just 33% say they would prefer a nominee who they are aligned with on the issues even if that person would have a hard time beating Trump. Democratic women (61%) are more likely than men (45%) to say they would put their policy positions aside in order to get a nominee who could beat Trump.
 
Among the ideologues on either side of the Dem divide, I'm interested in whether there's a significant portion of the party who are ultimately just interested most in whichever candidate seems strong and looks likely to get Trump out: i.e. people who might hypothetically be on the left, but who'll be incredibly enthusiastic for Biden if he runs a strong campaign, and vice versa. Interesting to think about although don't have any figures on it.
Common sense would tell you ‘electability’ will feature as heavily as it ever has or more so in this climate. I have seen way-too-early numbers on it, I’m guessing at 538...?

Though I hesitate to use common sense as an indicator these days.
 
You say that now but that's likely the choice people may have to contend with.
I still think its too early to tell. Biden really is offering nothing but then again we are talking about the same voter base that put forward Hilary Clinton as their best person.

In a somewhat less insane world anyone not supporting the green new deal would be instantly disregarded as a presidential nominee.
 
That's not very insightful analysis, IMO.
I think it’s been spelled out plenty of times on why the Obama administration has been a huge disappointment for the working class people. For many voters, voting Trump was a response to that disappointment. So going back to that formula shows no learning has happened. Should Biden get elected, the same problems are going to be ignored as other existential problems pile on top of that, creating more disenfranchisement and leading to more tribalism, potentially leading us to another populist hack on the other side of the spectrum again. Voting Biden is merely delaying the inevitable.
 
That would be DOA in Congress and will not pass anytime in the next decade. Odd metric for determining a candidate.
Well then the earth is fecked.

The point isn't really to pass the new green deal but to put climate change front and centre of todays politics. Anyone who isn't doing this should be completely ignored.

This is really why Bernie is the only option. The Republican Party and actually most of the Dems are happy enough to wait around for the Children Of Men type dystopia. So with that, the only way to get any meaningful change to improve the daily lives of american and to help in some save the planet is by movement/class based politics.
 
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I would definitely stay at home if the options are Biden and Trump. It would be the same shit, but with less twitter shenanigans.

Gonna be a fun race.
If you live in a swing state, I would advise to go vote anyway. Even with a dinosaur like Biden, you still have to consider things like judicial nominations, Paris Climate Accord, and absence of inciting white nationalism. There are also other things to vote on like house members and local referendums.
 
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