altodevil
Odds winner of 'Odds or Evens 2023/2024'
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Charlatan, no-one knows him aside from politicos. Come back when you have ideas, opinions even, on how to run the country. Biden with less name recognition.
This.Since when was this feeling? I could have sworn you said you'd have voted for him not that long ago.
Charlatan, no-one knows him aside from politicos. Come back when you have ideas, opinions even, on how to run the country. Biden with less name recognition.
That's true, and he seems intelligent. Just vacuous. Hard to get a read on, and shouldn't be in the discussion.On the plus side, he's not 90 years old.
He needs to clarify his policy positions.
But some pundits are saying he is to the left of moderates, while not calling himself a Socialist.
He is going to be difficult to beat.
He will definitely live among the upper echelon of candidates. Now he will have to come up with an entirely new Presidential policy platform that extends far beyond the equities of being a Congressman in a far corner of Texas. How he handles that transition will inform how far he goes.
You also have Warren. The candidates are better than the ones in 2016.So we have the black Hillary Clinton and the White Barrack Obama as the shining beacons of the party. fecking hell
So we have the black Hillary Clinton and the White Barrack Obama as the shining beacons of the party. fecking hell
This literally doesnt mean anything
Who’s keeping score? They’re all terrible. And I don’t want less terrible, I want someone good.Harris cannot be as bad as Hillary can she?
heck even Klobachar has to be better than Hillary.
Who’s keeping score? They’re all terrible. And I don’t want less terrible, I want someone good.
He’s got the substance of a city council rep.
He's a human markov chain
Star power, yes. Substance, I don’t think so. I hope he and the DNC realize that it’s gonna have to take a lot more than positivity-ing our way to making the big changes needed.People with the substance of City Council reps typically don’t generate a tsunami of national level buzz to be the next President. He’s getting the attention because he has the star power to move the needle in the race and actually win, much as Obama did in 2007.
Star power, yes. Substance, I don’t think so. I hope he and the DNC realize that it’s gonna have to take a lot more than positivity-ing our way to making the big changes needed.
The formula for success in 2008 is not going to be the same as 2020. We’ll see if he puts forth real policy and addresses his Republican love in from his voting record. If not, he’ll get slaughtered in the debates considering we have multiple candidates who are adamant about policy.More or less like Obama then. He showed up on Oprah and gave feel good speeches to crowds who ate it up and eventually made him President....for 8 years. Beto does have to get his act together on policy as that will be the thing that either puts more wind into his sails or gets him stuck in the mud.
The formula for success in 2008 is not going to be the same as 2020. We’ll see if he puts forth real policy and addresses his Republican love in from his voting record. If not, he’ll get slaughtered in the debates considering we have multiple candidates who are adamant about policy.
Yep, and the standard of living, wages, income inequality, job loss, climate are all going to be poorer. And then you’re just going to get another right wing extremist in the mix once the next centrist fails to deliver.Beto will have to come up with a platform, but in the end I don't think this election will be about policy. It will be about beating Trump and having a feel good candidate in the White House after the past 4 years. There won't be any medicare for all, free state level college, green new deal etc., because the political dynamics in the Congress aren't quite there yet. What we can hope for is to undo what Trump has done in terms of Paris, deregulation, foreign policy with the Russians/Saudis etc. Basically a return to the normal pre-Trump construct with some incremental gains in the progressive direction on things like the war on drugs, interventionism, immigration, and about half dozen other issues.
Yep, and the standard of living, wages, income inequality, job loss, climate are all going to be poorer. And then you’re just going to get another right wing extremist in the mix once the next centrist fails to deliver.
At least with a strong supporter of things like M4A in a president, we could do a better job of exposing reps and senators who fail to vote for it. And at the very least, it keeps that conversation hot.Things wouldn't change much even if Sanders is elected since he wouldn't be able to make any major systemic changes without supermajority support in Congress, which the Dems are pretty far off from right now.
This literally doesnt mean anything
How many seats are at play in 2020? I presume the hope with Bernie is that he will energise support for the downballot candidates that share his ideas.Things wouldn't change much even if Sanders is elected since he wouldn't be able to make any major systemic changes without supermajority support in Congress, which the Dems are pretty far off from right now.
A few weeks/months ago, Beto was loved by many posters in this thread, but now he‘s ridiculed and almost hated as much as Kamala Harris, simply because he is not Bernie
Just an obversation by me
A few weeks/months ago, Beto was loved by many posters in this thread, but now he‘s ridiculed and almost hated as much as Kamala Harris, simply because he is not Bernie
Just an obversation by me
Obviously love and hate are strong wordsBad observation. Name some names who used to love beto and now hate him.