2018 US Elections

unchanged_lineup said:
Changes are on the way but apparently wouldn't have been ready this time :rolleyes:
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They've been "on the way" since 2015 or early 2016, and have repeatedly blocked by some court or the other for "being too close to an election" or some horseshit like that. Will find links if possible.
 
Eboue said:
People who complain about the green party are some of the dumbest people around. Even the Republicans dont complain about the libertarians like that.
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Libertarians on social politics are much more aligned with Democrats rather than Republicans. Fiscally, they are Conservative of course.

Green Party is more aligned with Democrats than Republicans on every single issue.
 
Tell me one single policy that Green party's position is closer to Republicans than Dems.
 
They arent aligned with either of them. That's the whole point. They arent back up Democrats. They arent protesting Democrats. They're not fecking Democrats. If the green party didnt exist they wouldnt vote democrats, they would stay home.
 
That's perfectly fine if there were three choices. But in election for all particular purposes there are only two. You either vote for someone who has some similar policies to you, or your policies won't advance.

Bernie isn't a Democrat either but is trying to push his policies. He could run as an independent, get 7% of the vote instead and give Republicans another mandate. But he ain't a moron like Stein.
 
Revan said:
That's perfectly fine if there were three choices. But in election for all particular purposes there are only two. You either vote for someone who has some similar policies to you, or your policies won't advance.
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jesus christ. They know this. They made their decision. And yet you people still cant get it through your heads. They arent Democrats. For fecks sake.
 
Every policy of the green party can be for filled by the progressive part of the Democratic party.
 
Drifter said:
Every policy of the green party can be for filled by the progressive part of the Democratic party.
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Which is exactly my point.

You cannot same the same for libertarians who ran on pro-choice, pro LGBT, decriminalisation of drugs among other things, which are heavily opposed by Republicans.
 
Revan said:
Which is exactly my point.

You cannot same the same for libertarians who ran on pro-choice, pro LGBT, decriminalisation of drugs among other things, which are heavily opposed by Republicans.
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People don’t vote on policy alone. Oftentimes it’s not even the primary reason for voting.
 
Revan said:
Which is exactly my point.

You cannot same the same for libertarians who ran on pro-choice, pro LGBT, decriminalisation of drugs among other things, which are heavily opposed by Republicans.
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Not going to get into this, but the Republican candidate in my city was exactly that - he was to the left of the Democrats on criminal justice reform. But my city is 75-25 Dem, so he had no opposition in the primary, and no help or scolding from the party - they didn't care about the race at all.
 
Ah democracy! I'm a prick if I don't vote and I'm equally a prick if I vote for someone I shouldn't have voted for.
 
kidbob said:
Ah democracy! I'm a prick if I don't vote and I'm equally a prick if I vote for someone I shouldn't have voted for.
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If you vote for someone that has campaigned on policies that are detrimental to the whole planet , then your not an equal , but bigger prick.
 
The Firestarter said:
If you vote for someone that has campaigned on policies that are detrimental to the whole planet , then your not an equal , but bigger prick.
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Not talking about someone who voted for Trump but someone who votes for a 3rd party. Anyone who backs Trump is a terrible person.
 
Drifter said:
Every policy of the green party can be for filled by the progressive part of the Democratic party.
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But you’re not given the choice to vote for the ‘progressive part’ of a party’s ticket. That’s not how these elections work. And moreover, if you vote to endorse a candidate who shuns these values, then what makes you think they’ll pivot towards a more progressive leaning?
 
Kaos said:
But you’re not given the choice to vote for the ‘progressive part’ of a party’s ticket. That’s not how these elections work. And moreover, if you vote to endorse a candidate who shuns these values, then what makes you think they’ll pivot towards a more progressive leaning?
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Because you should be pragmatic. Voting democrat, typically, may not get you your more progressive policies, but what it won't get you, are regressive policies. It IS a compromise. Here is what I think Green voters should do. If the state is a Red or Blue stronghold, as in, no matter what you do, it's going to be Red or Blue, vote Green. It cannot hurt, and there are only upsides. If you're in a tightly contested state. Look at the policies on offer, and decide which of the two candidates are less likely to do something disastrous. Can you live with yourself if you vote Green, Green ends up with 5% overall and the election is decided by a few hundred votes, and then the winner rolls back environmental protections, and pumps state money into subsidizing coal mining? Or something equally regressive? If you're ok with that, then that is what I would call, cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
the green movement is based on ten key values

ecological wisdom
social justice
grassroots democracy
nonviolence
decentralization
community based economics
feminism
respect for diversity
personal and global responsibility
future focus

liberals are for feminism and maybe respect for diversity. that's it
 
Eboue said:
the green movement is based on ten key values

ecological wisdom
social justice
grassroots democracy
nonviolence
decentralization
community based economics
feminism
respect for diversity
personal and global responsibility
future focus

liberals are for feminism and maybe respect for diversity. that's it
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Looks pretty lefty to me
 
Nucks said:
Because you should be pragmatic. Voting democrat, typically, may not get you your more progressive policies, but what it won't get you, are regressive policies. It IS a compromise. Here is what I think Green voters should do. If the state is a Red or Blue stronghold, as in, no matter what you do, it's going to be Red or Blue, vote Green. It cannot hurt, and there are only upsides. If you're in a tightly contested state. Look at the policies on offer, and decide which of the two candidates are less likely to do something disastrous. Can you live with yourself if you vote Green, Green ends up with 5% overall and the election is decided by a few hundred votes, and then the winner rolls back environmental protections, and pumps state money into subsidizing coal mining? Or something equally regressive? If you're ok with that, then that is what I would call, cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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I would agree with this on all candidates except the one for President.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
This is bizarre logic. Compromise on your belief for the local dog catcher, but hold strong on the one with fingers on nukes.
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And picks justices. Something that today feels quite pertinent.
 
Raoul said:
Go get em...



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Naaaaah that ain’t it.

We need to stop normalising voter suppression as if that didn’t play a part.
Democrats need more accountability for not getting more greens/independents to vote for them.
And republicans always deserve criticism.
 
Ubik said:
And picks justices. Something that today feels quite pertinent.
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Yeah, probably the biggest one for me. Didn't like Hilary but would've probably voted for her in 2016 had I been in the US for that alone.
 
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