2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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With all of these polls spelling disaster(!) for him and looking unlikely to rally the demographic to the extent that he needs, it's going to be a depressing, long night for Trump. I'd love to see the coping mechanisms he employs as those states are gradually confirmed blue, especially if she routs him.
 
I'll look for common ground
Hillary Clinton


http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...on-vote--for-me-election-day-column/93400038/

In January, America is going to have a new president. Things are going to change — that much is certain. The question is, what kind of change are we going to have?

We can build an economy that works for everyone, or stack the deck even more for those at the top.

We can keep America safe through strength and smarts — or turn our backs on our allies, and cozy up to our adversaries.

We can come together to build a stronger, fairer America, or fear the future and fear each other.

Everything I’ve done, as first lady, senator, or secretary of State, I’ve done by listening to people and looking for common ground, even with people who disagree with me. And if you elect me on Tuesday, that’s the kind of president I’ll be.

Here are four priorities for my first 100 days — issues I’ve heard about from Americans all over our country.

First, we will put forward the biggest investment in new jobs since World War II. We’ll invest in infrastructure and manufacturing to grow our economy for years to come. We’ll produce enough renewable energy to power every home in America within a decade.
We’ll cut red tape for small businesses and make it easier for entrepreneurs to get the credit they need to grow and hire — because in America, if you can dream it, you should be able to build it. We’ll pay for it all by asking the wealthy, Wall Street and big corporations to finally pay their fair share. And this commitment will go far beyond the first 100 days. Creating more good jobs with rising incomes will be a central mission of my presidency.

Second, we will introduce comprehensive immigration reform legislation. The last president to sign comprehensive immigration reform was Ronald Reagan, and it was a priority for George W. Bush. I’m confident that we can work across the aisle to pass comprehensive reform that keeps families together and creates a path to citizenship, secures our border, and focuses our enforcement resources on violent criminals. This is the right thing to do, and it will also grow our economy.

Third, to break the gridlock in Washington, we need to get secret, unaccountable money out of our politics. It’s drowning out the voices of the American people. So within my first 30 days, I will introduce a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United. We should be protecting citizens’ rights to vote, not corporations’ rights to buy elections.

Fourth, we need to get started on end-to-end criminal justice reform. Too many people have been sent away for far too long for non-violent offenses. I believe our country will be stronger and safer when everyone has respect for the law and everyone is respected by the law.

There’s so much more we need to do together, and we certainly won’t get it all done in the first 100 days. But we’re going to roll up our sleeves and get to work for American families — and I’ll never, ever quit.

I want to be president for all Americans — Democrats, Republicans and independents; Americans of every race, faith and background.

My opponent has run his campaign on divisiveness, fear and insults, and spent months pitting Americans against each other. I’ve said many times that Donald Trump has shown us who he is. Now we have to decide who we are.

Because it’s not just our names on the ballot this year. Every issue we care about is on the ballot, too. This is about who we are as a country — and whether we are going to have change that makes us stronger together, or change that pushes us further apart.

It all comes down to this. I love our country. I believe in our people. And I think there’s nothing we can’t achieve if we work together and invest in each other.

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Sadly no talk of foreign interventions.
 
Of course she does-that is like shooting fish in a barrel!

But at the same time there are several issues (purely from an election perspective):
1. The problems with emails/foundation are highlighted when making this contrast
2. It doesn't hurt downballot (senate candidate) Republicans except thse who are hugging Trump on all his statements. A simple statement from them, saying "I support him because she is a Bolshevik devil but I'm disappointed by the fact that my party leader is a molester" is enough. There were Politico reports about how Democrat candidates were disappointed because of this.


Other than these, it lets her get away with not taking positions on things (like DAPL), and being non-specific about the ACA, and on other trade deals, and that is dangerous for progressives if she gets a mandate from vagueness. Of course, that isn't her problem, Trump is a gift in that sense.
 
As expectant as I am about tomorrow, most likely will get off posting about politics for a while afterwards, and not just here. The last 18 months or so have been a roller coaster ride, but it's time to stop the Cheeto Jesus from living rent-free in my head.

Suspect there are more than a few people on the same boat.
 
Who is Tim Kaine?

This guy:

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Sadly no talk of foreign interventions.
It would be pretty great if she just carried on Obama's policies with regard to foreign policy. They're definitely not perfect (you can criticise a lot of them), but in a pragmatic world I think it's going to be difficult to get any better.
 
Would also be great to see her try and sort out the Palestinian/Israeli issue once and for all. A two state solution has to come about.
 
:lol: :lol: :lol: I didn't even get that far!

I often wonder what these lunatics think when we stumble across one of these, and their page has a sudden spike in traffic. '"HEY, HEY KLYDE! GET IN HERE! WE DONE MADE IT BIGLY!"
 
Would also be great to see her try and sort out the Palestinian/Israeli issue once and for all. A two state solution has to come about.

Again, even less likely. She's vehemently pro-Israel there's no chance she'll concede anything to the Palestinians if it upsets her lobbyists. I mean she even suggested rigging the Palestinian elections to make sure someone they want wins :wenger:
 
Fat chance.
I'm not banking on it. I think there will be a more hawkish tone, but you never know. I've said it before, but Clinton can change her views 180 degrees very quickly. She's masterful at gauging public opinion and responding to it. Her record definitely shows that (race issues, gay marriage, Iraq). So it is possible. We'll see.
 
It would be pretty great if she just carried on Obama's policies with regard to foreign policy. They're definitely not perfect (you can criticise a lot of them), but in a pragmatic world I think it's going to be difficult to get any better.

Would also be great to see her try and sort out the Palestinian/Israeli issue once and for all. A two state solution has to come about.

Fat chance.

I think we'll see a more hawkish approach-and a tougher stance with Putin.

Regarding Israel, I reckon they're more than happy to see her elected. Concerned for the people of Palestine in that regard.
 
Again, even less likely. She's vehemently pro-Israel there's no chance she'll concede anything to the Palestinians if it upsets her lobbyists. I mean she even suggested rigging the Palestinian elections to make sure someone they want wins :wenger:
I know all this, but she also said that to an Israeli audience. I know of her support for AIPAC, and, more broadly speaking, Israel in general. But, as President things change quite a bit. She'll be forced into seeking resolution and responding to public opinion from both home and abroad.
 
I'm not banking on it. I think there will be a more hawkish tone, but you never know. I've said it before, but Clinton can change her views 180 degrees very quickly. She's masterful at gauging public opinion and responding to it. Her record definitely shows that (race issues, gay marriage, Iraq). So it is possible. We'll see.


She tends to do a 180 when her views are no longer popular (Iraq war, gay marriage etc) which you've identified correctly. The trouble is the US public don't care about the Israel-Palestinian conflict for the most part, and those that do tend to support Israel out of some Judeo-Christian loyalty and the fact they're fighting the 'Muslim side'. So in such case she'll just seek to continue pleasing the pro-Israel lobbyists as she's always done. Obama was probably the most critical president of Israel in decades, and even he would have no qualms about vetoing any condemnation of the Israeli illegal settlement program in the UNSC. Hillary will much be worse.
 
Just a hunch, I think she will avoid the Middle East altogether while paying the usual lip service to the foreign policy establishment. The Clintons have had a long time ambition in curbing the growth of China, expect a lot of outreach to India and SEA nations, as well as their traditional allies (SK + Japan).

If she wins a second term, she'll pass TPP.
 
That conflict will be not be resolved hundreds of years after we're both long gone
Israel needs to stop building settlements, the Palestinians need to accept that certain demands just won't be met. It's possible and will happen when both people have had enough.
 
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