2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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VorZakone said:
Am I the only one who finds this whole election process a huge cringefest? There are genuine structural issues in the US but you know what, let's turn the election into a big fecking comedy show where actual policy is hardly talked about and instead let's have the 2 candidates continously insult eachother.
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We normally have semi-normal elections. Its just that this time we have a reality show personality who likes to grab women in the pussy running as a major party nominee.
 
Fergies Gum said:
For starters

The FBI leaks (This is unprecedented)
Reports the folder where the emails were recovered in Weiner's laptop was called "LIFE INSURANCE".
Agents did not destroy the laptops of her aides.
99% likely at least 5 other agencies hacked into the Clinton server and retrieved info from it.
Bret Baier saying an indictment is likely.
DOJ ordering the FBI to stand down on their investigation into the Clinton foundation. Fbi refused to and carried on and have "avalanche' of evidence.
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How does any of this show massive corruption on the part of Hillary Clinton?

She has said it was a mistake for her to make use of a non-government server and has apologised for it. Moreover, none of the Weiner emails were to or from Clinton.
 
MarceloFalcon said:
There's another Brexit parallel in there I think: when your opposition becomes divided/weak (Corbyn leadership in UK), the other party's top figures will be willing to take risks to get further power within their own party, instead of focusing on beating the weakened opposition.
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It is worth thinking about a future when Clinton wins. Things won’t be just “okay” afterwards. The leaks and the allegations against her will continue. The country will be extremely divided. She’ll be the least popular president since WWII. If she can’t win a majority in house + senate, the Dems will be slaughtered during the next elections. Best case scenario is that the GOP establishment can regain control, but they are immensely unpopular in their own party. Any future candidate will probably need to pander to the nationalistic right/left to win a majority. When the tea-party gained power, nobody thought that things can get worse. Well…..How did this turn out? Things always can get worse. My point is: The current disaster won’t end at Election Day.
 
ravi2 said:
This should get you up to speed:

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All the video shows is that (a) the Clinton's gave speeches - or met with company top dogs - in order to raise money for their charitable foundations; and (b) Bill Clinton gave speeches for money, just like many ex-presidents have done.

There is zero evidence of corruption. Corruption means giving out government contracts - or making favourable changes in government policies - in return for kickbacks or bribes. There is no evidence that this happened.
 
sun_tzu said:
Down to 7/4 in a lot of places now - not sure if thats just a movement due to betting volumes or if bookies are beginning to think its becoming a more realistic possibility.

Worth noting that I think brexit was longer odds about a week out than trump is now... also the odds of an outright conservative majority a week before the last election must have been around that (or higher)

hummm - Im gonna buy some shares in mafia related concrete firms with the capability to build a fek off big wall on the boarder just in case
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The night before the Brexit vote I put £15 on Leave at 10/3. No idea about the week before but the day before the odds were longer.
 
Hmmmmm Hillary is back up to 1.44 on Coral now, it's getting very tempting, if she rises anymore, it may be impossible to resist. Drumpf is at 2.75

(you can tell I used to use odd-matching because I still check all my odds in the US style :lol: )
 
Trump may win NH, which he would need to eek out a 270-268 win when you factor in the ME 2nd District.

 
JustAFan said:
Would an indictment prevent her from taking the oath though? It would be a formal charge, but not a conviction. It would bring a whole mess as the two sides waged legal battles over whether she could actually be sworn in or not. It'd be a mess. If you like Kaine what you really want is her to be sworn in, then something about her come out that is so awful that she has no choice but to instantly resign.
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Wouldn't she be impeached instead in those circumstances?
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Barry's critique of the FBI today coupled with the Daily Beast lede (posted above) pretty much guaranteed one thing: Comey's position is untenable. He's lost support outside the agency and facing a mutiny within.
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The odds were against Comey (and Lynch, FWIW) from the moment the FBI started looking into the emails.

If Hillary wins, he'll resign the moment she is sworn in, or a few days after. And then he'll snag some lucrative position on a board of directors or in a think tank across the Potomac. If Trump wins... I reckon Christie will be made the Attorney General, so it comes down to whether Christie and Comey will be able to get along, and whether Comey isn't tired of all the BS hurled at him over the past month.

Edit: I'm surprised at how detached the FBI is from the presidency. Yes, I expect them to operate independently and impartially, however there just seems to be a total disconnect. Reminds me of the former DEA head testifying before Congress that she believed marijuana to be a harmful substance...
 
adexkola said:
The odds were against Comey (and Lynch, FWIW) from the moment the FBI started looking into the emails.

If Hillary wins, he'll resign the moment she is sworn in, or a few days after. And then he'll snag some lucrative position on a board of directors or in a think tank across the Potomac. If Trump wins... I reckon Christie will be made the Attorney General, so it comes down to whether Christie and Comey will be able to get along, and whether Comey isn't tired of all the BS hurled at him over the past month.

Edit: I'm surprised at how detached the FBI is from the presidency. Yes, I expect them to operate independently and impartially, however there just seems to be a total disconnect. Reminds me of the former DEA head testifying before Congress that she believed marijuana to be a harmful substance...
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Christie has his own legal troubles to worry about. Doubt Drumpf would make him AG unless they are resolved before.
 
Wasnt there a suggestion that there was more dirt on Trump right after the audio tape was leaked? Now would be a good time to get those out..
 
GlastonSpur said:
All the video shows is that (a) the Clinton's gave speeches - or met with company top dogs - in order to raise money for their charitable foundations; and (b) Bill Clinton gave speeches for money, just like many ex-presidents have done.

There is zero evidence of corruption. Corruption means giving out government contracts - or making favourable changes in government policies - in return for kickbacks or bribes. There is no evidence that this happened.
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Did you watch the video? It's more than just charitable donations.

Even without breaking it down, if you sincerely believe that companies or groups like Dow Chemical, UBS and the Moroccan monarchy donate to the Clinton foundation for the sake of benevolent charity and expect no favours in return, then you're being naive.
 
Kaos said:
Did you watch the video? It's more than just charitable donations.

Even without breaking it down, if you sincerely believe that companies or groups like Dow Chemical, UBS and the Moroccan monarchy donate to the Clinton foundation for the sake of benevolent charity and expect no favours in return, then you're being naive.
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They obviously contribute for access to the Clintons.
 
Raoul said:
Cenk is still bitter Bro. Its written all over his face.
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About what?

TYT has produced has much, if not more damning analysis on Drumpf. Hell Cenk almost got into a fist fight with Alex 'Fatty' Jones and Roger Stone .
 
Kaos said:
Did you watch the video? It's more than just charitable donations.

Even without breaking it down, if you sincerely believe that companies or groups like Dow Chemical, UBS and the Moroccan monarchy donate to the Clinton foundation for the sake of benevolent charity and expect no favours in return, then you're being naive.
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No company ever did charity for no reason. We just differ widly in our opinions of what they hope to gain. You smell corruption (although I have doubts you know what that really is), I see a classic case of companies wanting to polish their public image. Which is why companies donate, not only to the Clinton Fundation.
 
prateik said:
Wasnt there a suggestion that there was more dirt on Trump right after the audio tape was leaked? Now would be a good time to get those out..
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Yes, there is apparently. Just not dropped yet. Most likely time is tomorrow or later today. World Series was happening so doing it now would guarantee higher attention.
 
roseguy64 said:
Yes, there is apparently. Just not dropped yet. Most likely time is tomorrow or later today. World Series was happening so doing it now would guarantee higher attention.
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I've given up on that. Attention seeking morons guessing there could be more Trump news just to say I told you so if anything does leak out.
 
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