Which is why they don't have Universal Healthcare!
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Which is why they don't have Universal Healthcare!
Yep, that and the fact that half the country think helping society's most vulnerable people is communist evil.
Just be glad it wasn't your elbow.
It's not just the ads either, it's doctors getting money when they prescribe a particulars drugs. That's one of the worst conflicts of interest possible.
It's hilarious, UK doctors get a bonus when they get someone to go to the gym, or give up smoking. In the States, it's when they get them to take some new wonderdrug.
Yup, it's disgusting! I would love to debate anyone over UHC. Trump, anyone! I'd gladly argue with any of them.
TRUMP SERIOUSLY just said that the NFL viewing numbers are down because of him!
Some former FBI's agents and directors didn't like the way he deal with Hillary emails and maybe is a way to frame him,
Could require an amputation
It's hilarious, UK doctors get a bonus when they get someone to go to the gym, or give up smoking. In the States, it's when they get them to take some new wonderdrug.
Yup, it's disgusting! I would love to debate anyone over UHC. Trump, anyone! I'd gladly argue with any of them.
TRUMP SERIOUSLY just said that the NFL viewing numbers are down because of him!
Trump saying NFL viewing numbers are down because of him is probably true
It's hilarious, UK doctors get a bonus when they get someone to go to the gym, or give up smoking. In the States, it's when they get them to take some new wonderdrug.
Is that true...an actual policy?
Yeah it's true, I think they get £80 per person when they join a gym and more when they give up smoking.
Thats good.
Yeah, I agree, it's no different to a performance based bonus for any other job, however I do think it should be the same throughout the healthcare industry and Nurses should be awarded similar bonuses for their work too.
Do liquor store owners get a bonus when they make someone an alcoholic
no, obviously not, and I see where you are coming from, but in this day and age it needed a new look and this seemed to work. It's not perfect, but paying a doctor £80 for helping someone give up ciggies saves them ££££ in operations years down the line.
I think it's fantastic Tbf. As I drink another shot of vodka
And makes the NHS impossible to fund due to the pensions cost of people not dying young from smoking.
Trump just said that as soon as he is elected he will "TERMINATE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OBAMAS EXECUTIVE ORDERS" and "reverse every policy he has ever made" FFS
You can't win either way, either you spend hundreds of thousands with cancer treatment or you pay to help people stop smoking. There needs to be a balance, and the plain fact of the matter is I and millions of other people would rather have an NHS than not. The American alternative is not sane, ethical, fair nor is it acceptable. We could sit and debate the problems with the NHS forever, but one thing I think everyone would agree on is it's better to argue its failings and faults rather than argue its existence.
You can't win either way, either you spend hundreds of thousands with cancer treatment or you pay to help people stop smoking. There needs to be a balance, and the plain fact of the matter is I and millions of other people would rather have an NHS than not. The American alternative is not sane, ethical, fair nor is it acceptable. We could sit and debate the problems with the NHS forever, but one thing I think everyone would agree on is it's better to argue its failings and faults rather than argue its existence.
Indeed. I just feel the need to point out that smoking saves the government far more money than it costs in cancer treatment or indeed any other treatment for related health conditions.
It's incredible how he believes he'll be able to do literally anything he wants, unchallenged and without dispute.
Janet Jacksons tit started a firestorm yet I have to watch an advertisement for boner pills for old bastards while having a late breakfast with my children, it's enough to cure my opioid constipation.
I agree mate, but not only that it's how he thinks (and his supporters think) that everything Obama has done is bad. It makes me so angry, literally fuming how he bangs on about how America is perceived in the world since Obama has been in charge. He really doesn't get that the world LOVES Obama! And that America's popularity around the world has grown so much since Obama has been in charge and also how hated Drumpf is, and how the world see's Drumpf! America's popularity would be at a record all time low if he gets elected, not to mention it would be a laughing stock.
But on top of that, it irritates me how Drumpf can argue about Obama's record, and how much better things are in the USA and he constantly attacks Obama and the USA and nobody stands up and puts him right. It's so infuriating.
I'm sure they spend way more money fighting cancer than paying pensions.
Not smoking related cancer, no, not remotely.
Yeah, this sense of "everything my opponent does is bad" is really, really unhelpful in general political discourse and actually quite childish. I'm not expecting him to praise Obama...but there should be some willingness to realise that not every policy he's implemented will have been awful.
My own small pet theory is that if he wins the election, he'll become bored within two weeks and resign. I don't think he understands that the job will involve lots of long, drawn-out meetings, haggling with people around him, compromise and difficulty, and that it's generally a difficult, time-consuming, and probably even tedious job with lots of public appearances he won't want to put in. He's shown he doesn't have a great attention span, so a job like this will be something he'd end up hating, probably.
There is no possible way Trump believes this. It's all vote baiting huffing and puffing.
If the world ends and he is elected into office then he becomes a sitting duck president waiting out the four years.
In my opinion the danger for America is waiting 4 years to get things done rather than Trump bringing in a Nazi regime to government.
That's not really how either the NHS or cancer works, tbf. Not to mention that alcohol costs the NHS way more, on a tangible daily basis.
It's also the kind of arguments used by those opposed to universal healthcare. "Why should I pay for the bad choices/mistakes of others!" Etc..
(Not saying you're making that point, btw. Just pointing it out)
This is partly my concern too. He's too incompetent to be a genuine dictator and the rabid supporters around him are probably more talk than walk, but his attitudes to certain things like climate change, the economy etc are very backwards and would be regressive.
But you're not paying for the bad choices of others. My bad choices save money by killing me.
Let's put the buffoonish clown with dangerous, heated rhetorics in charge and hope the grown-ups take care of him.
Yeah, like that hasn't gone wrong...
Yeah, like that hasn't gone wrong...
It doesn't matter though does it? The point is we and every other civilised country on earth has a NHS or equivalent. The USA doesn't and it costs a fortune for healthcare and if you don't pay, you die! With the amount of people paying taxes the USA could easily have an NHS equivalent.
I agree, he doesn't have a clue about what it entails, but in that respect he's made it clear he doesn't have a clue about anything. He really doesn't understand much at all. He's a fecking moron, and we can only hope sanity prevails and Hillary is elected. I will debate what Trump will or wont do if he wins, until then, I'd rather just pretend he wont.
True. It's a ridiculous argument. But then almost any argument against providing free medical care for your citizens is.
I'm not sure I really understand what you were saying, then, in that case.
Dying of a smoking relates illness is pretty expensive (unless you just ignore it, I guess).
Not compared to living to the age you otherwise would've done.
Im not either really. I was responding to a post in isolation...Should probably stop doing that. And drinking on Sundays.
Fair enough.
I should probably stop taking us off topic with irrelevant attempts to justify my smoking.
It is. Pharmaceutical drugs are immensely expensive here and the dumb fecks that can't even afford insurance vote against government insurance.
One of the points I thought I was making was that smoking is disproportionately demonised compared to drinking. And mostly because everyone else wants to justify their drinking. So we're most likely coming from the same place.
Just at crossed purposes. And in the wrong thread.
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Honestly, before the recent information came to light (and I guess that's exactly what it was designed to do) I was fairly content with the thought of Clinton being president and just carrying on whatever Obama has done more or less just so that Trump wasn't president and the sheer ridiculousness of such a thing couldn't happen but honestly she's come out of this (and he, regrettably because I was a big fan but you just knew he had to know) looking every inch the crooked, devious woman that Trump painted her out to be and the sheer fact that she has been privy to so much for so long has institutionalised her corruption. The extent of the infiltration into the media, the powers that be and the big businesses on her end is unbelievable but at the same time it isn't. It's so overblown that it's actually exactly what you think might be going on.
Trump is a horrible candidate for a president, a horrible human being too from what we can glean but perhaps his naivety and general lack of awareness of what's actually going on might be of some benefit to the rest of the world at least. I actually think at this point he's the least dangerous of the two, albeit he's also clearly the least electable by measurement of how fit he is to understand how being in charge of the most powerful country in the world is.
If Hillary is in charge then the status quo continues, her cabinet, the media, Wall Street and everyone else stays exactly as corrupt as they are and they manage to get away with things that by law should get them thrown in prison.
If Trump wins who knows what might happen?
Better the devil you know?
It's a fecking horrible situation to be in as an American voter but because of American influence, it's a fecking horrible situation for all of us.
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