2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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George Owen said:
To be fair to Trump, she is the one who wants to go to war with Russia.

Its funny how when JFK wanted to make peace with Russia and end stupid wars, he got killed by the CIA. Now, Trump says something similar and media goes crazy after him.

War is in the horizon guys. Get ready.
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People brush Clinton's warmongering nature under the carpet far too readily on here.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Ha!!!!

The stages again, eyebrows revealing inner thought, as I see them.

1. "Ugh! You kiddin me? Stoopid idea"
2. "Uhhhh wait a minute, maybe there's something in that idea..."
3. "Quick, make that same face again to show how smart I am to realise there's something in that idea..."
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You forgot the endgame where he looks like "i'm considerably smarter than you" condescending final twitch.
 
George Owen said:
What about the bad stuff from HRC??? its way too easy to go down that road...

Be objective and vote Jill Stein.
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Trump's bad stuff is worse, even from a neutral point of view. After all, being neutral doesn't mean you have to pretend both candidates are equally qualified when they're not.

Jill Stein, aside from having no hope of winning and potentially drawing votes away from the only candidate who can actually prevent a Trump presidency, hasn't been scrutinized to anywhere near the same degree as the two main (and realistic) presidential candidates. As such it's difficult to compare her to the principle candidates in a legitimately equal way.

Even with such little scrutiny though, I could still point to her flip-flopping on Brexit, her anti-science responses on several health issues (despite having a medical degree) and, most of all, her hideously stupid claim that she would ease student debt through quantitative easing.

It should be easy to come across as a sane and reasonable candidate in this race, especially when you're under such little scrutiny and nobody expects you to actually win. Yet she still comes across as inept and cynical. Hardly my dream candidate.
 
George Owen said:
To be fair to Trump, she is the one who wants to go to war with Russia.

Its funny how when JFK wanted to make peace with Russia and end stupid wars, he got killed by the CIA. Now, Trump says something similar and media goes crazy after him.

War is in the horizon guys. Get ready.
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Nah Georgie - i dont see her wanting to go to war with the Russians. That would be just nuts - the world would finished as we know it.

She's in the Obama camp of standing up to the Russians & that's what's needed - how they go about that is a completely different matter.

Putin's a nutter & wants the old Soviet Union back. Trump is a big fan of that type of masculinity & Putin appeals to him - he's the mirror image of him - only Putin speaks better English.

The buzz phrase of this election is without a doubt "she's the lesser of 2 evils.." and i totally agree with that logic too.. She is!
 
When Trump loses this election he needs to write a musical called The Old Post Office. He never shuts the feck up about it.
 
What is dangerous is the false sense of exuberance and glee that will probably come crashing down like a led zeppelin in 11 days. If they thought it was rigged before, there will be violence after the election.
 
Raoul said:
What is dangerous is the false sense of exuberance and glee that will probably come crashing down like a led zeppelin in 11 days. If they thought it was rigged before, there will be violence after the election.
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Surely the chances of someone taking a potshot at Hillary greatly increase too.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Sorry, all credibility lost.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/the-real-cuban-missile-crisis/309190/
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Someone was also hailing JFK as the last "people's President" (whatever that means) a few weeks back here, and I thought of posting that article but couldn't be arsed.

Its a great read, and anyone who still thinks the White House is a place for doe-eyed idealists needs to read some more detailed history about events, and not any in particular. But just to understand that the person who sits in that office faces pressure and/or straight enmity from politicians in the other party, in their own party, members of the media, business people, leaders of nations that are clearly your adversaries and sometimes those of nations that are supposed to be your friend. So they need to be players in that game long before they get there, and they need to play to win, meaning getting your bills passed, keeping public opinion on your side, giving your enemies pause, etc. (And when its all done, get that book deal and the speaker fees, because no one should have to live on $200k a year after the presidency)
 
MarceloFalcon said:
Someone was also hailing JFK as the last "people's President" (whatever that means) a few weeks back here, and I thought of posting that article but couldn't be arsed.

Its a great read, and anyone who still thinks the White House is a place for doe-eyed idealists needs to read some more detailed history about events, and not any in particular. But just to understand that the person who sits in that office faces pressure and/or straight enmity from politicians in the other party, in their own party, members of the media, business people, leaders of nations that are clearly your adversaries and sometimes those of nations that are supposed to be your friend. So they need to be players in that game long before they get there, and they need to play to win, meaning getting your bills passed, keeping public opinion on your side, giving your enemies pause, etc. (And when its all done, get that book deal and the speaker fees, because no one should have to live on $200k a year after the presidency)
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I have to admit, my eyes needed opening also and this article achieved that goal. JFK having a kind of rosy glow over here in Ireland due to his heritage. But he was a bit of a nutter and absolutely a stone cold liar, never mind any stuff about daliances.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
I have to admit, my eyes needed opening also and this article achieved that goal. JFK having a kind of rosy glow over here in Ireland due to his heritage. But he was a bit of a nutter and absolutely a stone cold liar, never mind any stuff about daliances.
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When I read it first a while back it really reinforced the time-old lesson that sometimes the international events between states are being driven by internal struggles. It escapes us in the base or first-level analysis, which would be "The USSR made a play on the US, which the US had to respond to", when the story also goes "Khrushchev made a play to show strength to his own internal opponents, and Kennedy did not believe he could back down and still get re-elected in 64 after the Bay of Pigs, and coming to office on a defense platform". Big stuff getting driven by seemingly smaller stuff. History of the world.
 
MarceloFalcon said:
Someone was also hailing JFK as the last "people's President" (whatever that means) a few weeks back here, and I thought of posting that article but couldn't be arsed.

Its a great read, and anyone who still thinks the White House is a place for doe-eyed idealists needs to read some more detailed history about events, and not any in particular. But just to understand that the person who sits in that office faces pressure and/or straight enmity from politicians in the other party, in their own party, members of the media, business people, leaders of nations that are clearly your adversaries and sometimes those of nations that are supposed to be your friend. So they need to be players in that game long before they get there, and they need to play to win, meaning getting your bills passed, keeping public opinion on your side, giving your enemies pause, etc. (And when its all done, get that book deal and the speaker fees, because no one should have to live on $200k a year after the presidency)
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A good read on JFK's presidency is Chomsky's Rethinking Camelot.
 
MarceloFalcon said:
When I read it first a while back it really reinforced the time-old lesson that sometimes the international events between states are being driven by internal struggles. It escapes us in the base or first-level analysis, which would be "The USSR made a play on the US, which the US had to respond to", when the story also goes "Khrushchev made a play to show strength to his own internal opponents, and Kennedy did not believe he could back down and still get re-elected in 64 after the Bay of Pigs, and coming to office on a defense platform". Big stuff getting driven by seemingly smaller stuff. History of the world.
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Surely the story of the world right now in reverse with Russia.
 
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