Consent of the loser is pretty much a fundamental cornerstone of democracy.
2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins
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I just don't get that. The onus is on him to prove the 'rigging' and his own statements are not proof. Unless he can provide that, I doubt democracy is threatened.
The process should be above and beyond any simple person's opinion on it. He claimed America is like a 3rd world country. He claimed lots of stuff...which are patently false. This is just one more in the list.
I think it is more of a case of Trump's reasoning behind not conceding. If he had not come out with all the BS about a rigged election and just not given a concession speech once the outcome was obvious after the results were in, then most people would just write it off to Trump being an idiot and moved on. It's the combination that is making a difference here.
Nobody said threatened, nothing is going to actually happen. It's just you don't want your president doubting the democracy that would elect him.
If he didnt concede and maintained the election was rigged it would stir up trouble with his supporters, possibly riots and the like. Even if there is no legal issue, when you have a load of heavily armed, angry, anti-government people, convinced they have been disenfranchised, it could make the US harder to govern. Presumably that's the fear?
If he doesn't concede then he's saying that the election was stolen and rigged, effectively encouraging civil insurrection and a revolutionary mindset from the millions of gun-freak nutcases that support him.
The concession confirms the legitimacy of the new President-elect and Commander in Chief.Even more so now that he's decided to spend the rest of the race whipping up his supporters with conspiratorial talk of rigging and what-not. It's largely a symbolic act, but in the wider context it represents the peaceful transfer of power in the democratic process (a load of bunk btw, but it's the illusion ppl have been fed for generations)
A non-concession on Nov.8 when the race is called equals defiance of the process and a signal for the more rabid of his supporters to run amok. They'll be dealt with, of course, but it's neither desirable nor unavoidable.
A non-concession on Nov.8 when the race is called equals defiance of the process and a signal for the more rabid of his supporters to run amok. They'll be dealt with, of course, but it's neither desirable nor unavoidable.
Result is the 8th right? So we'll find out on the UK early 9th?
Going to book day off work and do an all nighter to watch coverage
Going to book day off work and do an all nighter to watch coverage
Final results should be in around 9 or 10pm EST so you should know when you wake up in the UK.
Great piece of journalism on the Russian hack.
I'm surprised the "you chocked" line isn't getting much press. That pushed Donald over the edge.
Me too. I cannot help but stay up and watch election results as they arrive.
Given what happened in June with the referendum, I want to make sure this is good news!
Cheers my brain was having trouble working it out. Damn brain.
Doubt It will even be close but on the off chance Trump gets elected i want to watch it live. In a 'where we you when the start of the end happened' kind of way
A war is the worst thing that can happen regardless of who the president is. The fact that Putin is afraid of Hillary doesn't in any way mean that Trump is a safer choice. Trump is a dangerous sociopath, and he's bad for America both home and abroad.
Anyone got any good idea which network I should watch it on? Fox is a no go, I can't stand Wolf Blitzer going 'breaking from CNN' every 5 min and NBC/MSNBC is flat out uninspiring.
How's the Beeb, or Sky?
How's the Beeb, or Sky?
Another sign the GOP is headed for a fracture. More Republicans identify with Trumpian extremism than with the likes of Ryan and Kasich.
CNN's coverage is easily the best.
I switch over to Fox as soon as it's clear they're going to lose. Before that, flit between BBC, CNN and MSNBC.
Entertainment. I like to see just how they spin this shit.
I'll be watching CNN just to watch Jeffry "Baghdad Bob" Lord and KayLeigh McEnany's reactions.
Also, NC early voting begins today. It's possible Clinton could have it won before election day, touch wood.
I beg to differ, they've been unwatchable with Lord, Kayleigh, Hughes and Lewandowski. It's like the fecking horsemen of apocalypse. And that's before Giuliani or Kellyanne call in.
Probably try out the Beeb, alternating with 538 live blog and Twitter. I watched 2008/12 with TDS live coverage. Damn you Stewart!
They have been consistently best over the years. Blitzer, Cooper, Tapper (this cycle), John King, Axelrod, Smerconish - no one even comes close. The fact that they balance their panels with bloviating Trump supporters just makes it all the more entertaining. Fox and MSNBC can never seem get the balance right and foreign channels like the Beeb tend to dumb down their coverage so non-Americans can follow along.
In recent years I find myself less glued to the TV awaiting every update and more just tuning in every 30 minutes or so to see the updates or just checking the latest updates online. It can get a bit tedious after a while as they keep repeating some of the same bits of information over and over again.
MSNBC has the best women. They also have smart blokes like Matthews and Maddow. I really like Brian Williams running things too.
Say what you want about usa, but their election is as fair as it can get. There's too many parties to keep it hushed.
Besides, a black person just won the election twice. How can it be rigged? The very fact that a buffoon like trump stands to be president (if he win) is the testament of democracy at its best.
America isn't all clean but rigged election is not something they can pull
Besides, a black person just won the election twice. How can it be rigged? The very fact that a buffoon like trump stands to be president (if he win) is the testament of democracy at its best.
America isn't all clean but rigged election is not something they can pull
BBC don't dumb it down so much as they don't actually know what's going on half the time, and are usually well behind on calling states or other info. But I must be loyal to my countryfolk, and the lack of adverts is always nice.
It would take a monumental effort to rig a national election in America.
Both parties would have to be in on it at national, state and local level, which is impossible.
I've almost punched our screen last night whenever Lewandowski and Lord opened their mouth. How so much BS can be compressed in a person is beyond me.
Very good read.
When i got to this part (and realize the author could even be wrong, because who really knows?) my biases kicked in and I was like "Of course the NSA has better/more organized methods than the Russians. 'Murica!". But seriously, you read about all the Russian and Chinese hacks... I guess you just hope the NSA is getting even more from them, and getting away unnoticed.
It's right about Mississippi and hurricane Katrina. I spent some time down there afterwards doing volunteer construction work it was pretty bad...
Thought CNN was entertaining till i saw that they paid those regular Trump surrogates to bring some kind of balance
Al Gore conceded when he got beaten by 500 votes in Florida. This moron is going to have his arse handed to him in a landslide, and is still 'not sure' about whether he will accept it?
If a hack was caught it probably wasn't as sophisticated as it could be.
This Gore stuff is ridiculous although it never hurts to remind people that Bush stole the election.
I'm sure the NSA is doing alright with hacks.
its code for fecking mouth breathing moron
Could be code for too embarrassed to say I'm voting Trump.
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