2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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OUCH!

Strong rumours tonight that Trump is blaming KellyAnne Conway for his recent poor results in the polls. It's also been said that someone overheard him saying she is vastly overpaid and not worth the money. I'm not going to link Twitter gossip and will wait for a more reliable source, but this has picked up very quickly in the last half an hour or so. Also, she apparently melted right down on CNN tonight, also waiting for those clips to be uploaded.

You'll have to be satisfied with this for now... her trashing Trump before she was part of his campaign, talking about his victims
 
I know it has been asked before but did any Republicans (officials or citizens) who withdrew their support to Trump after the tapes justified how they saw no reason to do so when he attacked Mexicans, Muslims and black people? I mean what's the logic there exactly as I am assuming they need to at least pretend to justify it to themselves.
 
Bit like Tories and Labour, no?
A bit, but in reverse I guess. Also nowhere near as dramatic. Labour isn't as far left as the GOP is far right, and parliamentary systems are different because in many cases people will be voting for moderate MPs over what they perceive to be extreme or diehard potential PMs.
 
I know it has been asked before but did any Republicans (officials or citizens) who withdrew their support to Trump after the tapes justified how they saw no reason to do so when he attacked Mexicans, Muslims and black people? I mean what's the logic there exactly as I am assuming they need to at least pretend to justify it to themselves.
Sex scandals have always been bigger than racial scandals. Probably because you offend at least half of the population (and it completely transcends race).
 
A bit, but in reverse I guess. Also nowhere near as dramatic. Labour isn't as far left as the GOP is far right, and parliamentary systems are different because in many cases people will be voting for moderate MPs over what they perceive to be extreme or diehard potential PMs.

Admittedly I'm only watching from afar but from the Labour thread the impression I got is that Corbyn's Movement is at odds with New Labour the same way the Tea Party crowd is against the GOP establishment. Extremism aside, there's scant chance of getting in when you are fighting your own coalition. The threat of deselection is prettt much the Brit version of primarying an incumbent deemed not ideologically pure enough.
 
Sex scandals have always been bigger than racial scandals. Probably because you offend at least half of the population (and it completely transcends race).
I don't really disagree. But America is such a unique country in that sense. Race is a bigger issue over there than anywhere else is my point.
 
Admittedly I'm only watching from afar but from the Labour thread the impression I got is that Corbyn's Movement is at odds with New Labour the same way the Tea Party crowd is against the GOP establishment. Extremism aside, there's scant chance of getting in when you are fighting your own coalition. The threat of deselection is prettt much the Brit version of primarying an incumbent deemed not ideologically pure enough.
The thing with Labour, though, is that the division between the leftist wing and the centrist core has been there for decades. I also think that the Tea Party crowd represent the majority of the GOP these days (millions and millions of evangelicals). If Trump disappeared tomorrow, the Tea Party element would still exist (would probably be strengthened, because they'd be seen as moderate by comparison). If Corbyn disappears, then so too does his leftist movement -- McDonald isn't going to replace him, simply hasn't got the clout (and neither does anyone else).
 
India? South Africa?
I was not clear enough. My point is the logic why sex scandals get more attentions is usually because it is half the population and every human being is close to women in one way or another which cannot be said about race. But America is different in that regard to the rest of the developed world. It is built around this multi racial idea and you'd be hard pressed to meet an American who doesn't have some form of connection one way or another to people from other races.
 
Worth noting though that the GOP won 5 out of 6 presidential elections from 68 to 88, the loss only coming after Watergate, and even that was only by 2%. Winning electoral coalitions can be very durable, particularly when they're expanding (as the Dems' current one is). The long term effects of the Trump campaign on the voting habits of women will be very interesting to track.

True...although the fact that they did still lose one is relevant, even if it was by a small margin.

Should also be taken into account that Hilary herself is perceived as a bit toxic by many as is far from popular. She's largely gotten by on the fact that Trump is on a completely fecking different planet to her in that regard, but if a stronger GOP candidate is put forward in 2020 and America's situation hasn't improved at all then I think Hilary may have a very, very difficult election to secure her position for another four years. Again, obviously depends on how damaging this election is to the Republicans - if it has an awful effect on them then they'll find it hard to recover for 2020.
 
I don't really disagree. But America is such a unique country in that sense. Race is a bigger issue over there than anywhere else is my point.
America is also a country that has immense racial divides. The nature of what constitutes racism is always open to debate, short of an unapologetic racial epithet. For instance, if a candidate argues about certain racial groups being more criminally minded than others -- it's a racial statement, but it isn't explicitly racist in the sense that you can provide statistics out of context to back up that argument. At worst, you'll have a debate for a few days/weeks about cause and effect. It's a lot murkier than Trump's "grab her by the pussy" comments which immediately resound as violently sexist. The demographic is also far more significant because sexism unites races in ways that racism doesn't unite sexes.
 
True...although the fact that they did still lose one is relevant, even if it was by a small margin.

Should also be taken into account that Hilary herself is perceived as a bit toxic by many as is far from popular. She's largely gotten by on the fact that Trump is on a completely fecking different planet to her in that regard, but if a stronger GOP candidate is put forward in 2020 and America's situation hasn't improved at all then I think Hilary may have a very, very difficult election to secure her position for another four years. Again, obviously depends on how damaging this election is to the Republicans - if it has an awful effect on them then they'll find it hard to recover for 2020.

What if it's not Hillary though?
 
Politics are rooted in culture. Culture in values. Values in people. So what you want to say, is that "it's a great place, except for the people".
I think that's a little unfair. There's a reason it is often said not to argue about politics and religion because people are often extremely irrational when it comes to both of these subjects. I personally know a number of people who go on missionary trips to various parts of the world on their own dime to help people who have been involved in natural disasters or need medical aid and are truly good people yet these same folks will turn around and tell me that they've got to vote Republican. Unfortunately this year that means voting for the Drumpfster. It makes no sense to me but I'm not going to say that every person that votes for Trump is a bad person. IMHO they are just extremely misguided and/or gullible.
 
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Trump is blasting Paul Ryan nonstop.

This is the funniest implosion in the history of politics.
 
As soon as Anderson Cooper pushed Trump for an answer at the debate about whether he had ever acted on the things he said it was clear this was coming.

Kayleigh seems shellshocked....as if she's ready to jump off the Drumpf train.

Yeah, her best defence seemed to be 'well I hope it's not true'
 
True...although the fact that they did still lose one is relevant, even if it was by a small margin.

Should also be taken into account that Hilary herself is perceived as a bit toxic by many as is far from popular. She's largely gotten by on the fact that Trump is on a completely fecking different planet to her in that regard, but if a stronger GOP candidate is put forward in 2020 and America's situation hasn't improved at all then I think Hilary may have a very, very difficult election to secure her position for another four years. Again, obviously depends on how damaging this election is to the Republicans - if it has an awful effect on them then they'll find it hard to recover for 2020.
She'll definitely need to have improved on her favourability by 2020 (if she runs, and I imagine she will, health permitting). Should she win, and the improbable happens and Congress ends up fully Democratic, I think she'll have a good shot at this. Won't make Obama's mistake of trying to be bipartisan, stuff will get done rapidly.
 
America is also a country that has immense racial divides. The nature of what constitutes racism is always open to debate, short of an unapologetic racial epithet. For instance, if a candidate argues about certain racial groups being more criminally minded than others -- it's a racial statement, but it isn't explicitly racist in the sense that you can provide statistics out of context to back up that argument. At worst, you'll have a debate for a few days/weeks about cause and effect. It's a lot murkier than Trump's "grab her by the pussy" comments which immediately resound as violently sexist. The demographic is also far more significant because sexism unites races in ways that racism doesn't unite sexes.
True. The obviousness of it if you will is what did him. You make a good point though, maybe I am just being cynical suspecting that there, in fact are THAT many racists in America.
 
My word, this gif is possibly the most perfect visualisation of how the GOP ended up with their house on fire

 
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