2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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Certainly some kind of morons.

unchanged_lineup said:
So at what point does this become a thing? Because as we've said at length, this got Nixon impeached. If he becomes president and tries to pull this (and his supporters will bay for it), what then?
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Must be some kind of record to have an impeachable offence as one of your campaign pledges.
 
Sometimes I wonder if Kellyanne has a soul. How she can look her 4 children in the eyes and think 'yeap, I'm helping elect Donald Trump to be their president' is beyond me :wenger:.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Especially "Blacks for Trump" he is polling like 1% in that demographic.
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More accurately that placard should say "Black for Trump" ... and be held up by the one black guy in the USC/LA Times poll survey group
 


Sorry if this has been posted before.
 
simonhch said:
I didn't realize Tennessee was that bad. My wife went to college there and is down there for the next seven days visiting her sister. Great for me, because I'm in bachelor mode for the next seven days, but maybe not the place for an interracial child.

I've only been there once, because a friend of ours played for the Tennessee Titans. And it seemed cool.
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It's actually a great place except for the politics. :nono:
 
Keeps It tidy said:
The Blacks for Trump hashtag is one of the funniest things I have read all year.



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Is that actually true? The highest tally for a Republican nominee in 100 years, I mean.

Or am I being a moron... I do recall him polling at about 5% for African American voters a while back (or something like that).
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Is that actually true? The highest tally for a Republican nominee in 100 years, I mean.

Or am I being a moron... I do recall him polling at about 5% for African American voters a while back (or something like that).
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Not sure on the history stat, but the reason he was doing well with AA voters was because of Carlton. He's been polling as low as 0% among African Americans in some polls.
 
I can't help but think that it's certain that a Republican fairly right of centre is going to be president in 4 years (and 3 months).

Firstly they'll have the "Not Hillary" vote and secondly it's clear as day that there's a huge number of American's hungry for some right wing politics right now, no doubt thanks to Murdoch and co. I'm certain whoever the candidate is will be a somewhat moderate version of Trump. Playing on the same fears and prejudice in a more conservative manner.
 
Silva said:
Not sure on the history stat, but the reason he was doing well with AA voters was because of Carlton. He's been polling as low as 0% among African Americans in some polls.
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And even lower in certain states.
 
Pexbo said:
I can't help but think that it's certain that a Republican fairly right of centre is going to be president in 4 years (and 3 months).

Firstly they'll have the "Not Hillary" vote and secondly it's clear as day that there's a huge number of American's hungry for some right wing politics right now, no doubt thanks to Murdoch and co. I'm certain whoever the candidate is will be a somewhat moderate version of Trump. Playing on the same fears and prejudice in a more conservative manner.
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I think it's going to be Paul Ryan. I don't see any of the other candidates from this year getting close again (mainly because Trump ruined them).
 
Pexbo said:
I can't help but think that it's certain that a Republican fairly right of centre is going to be president in 4 years (and 3 months).

Firstly they'll have the "Not Hillary" vote and secondly it's clear as day that there's a huge number of American's hungry for some right wing politics right now, no doubt thanks to Murdoch and co. I'm certain whoever the candidate is will be a somewhat moderate version of Trump. Playing on the same fears and prejudice in a more conservative manner.
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Plus there's the simple fact that you need to go back to WW2 era to find the last time either party was in power for more than 12 years, which makes sense in a way considering people eventually tire of government and vote in someone else instead.

I'd say it largely depends on how much damage Trump does to the Republicans in this election. If they escape with a poor defeat and him just being a blot, they can throw in someone like Cruz or whoever in 2020 and have a chance of winning - if things get even messier, they could struggle in the wake of an unprecedented defeat.
 
Pexbo said:
I can't help but think that it's certain that a Republican fairly right of centre is going to be president in 4 years (and 3 months).

Firstly they'll have the "Not Hillary" vote and secondly it's clear as day that there's a huge number of American's hungry for some right wing politics right now, no doubt thanks to Murdoch and co. I'm certain whoever the candidate is will be a somewhat moderate version of Trump. Playing on the same fears and prejudice in a more conservative manner.
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Hillary would need to be a really catastrophic president for someone that far to the right to win. Republicans needs to massively overcome the gender and minority voting gap to get to 270, they're not going to do that on a platform of misogyny and racism.
 
Romney might be a good bet for 2020. He couldn't beat Obama, but I think he'd come close to Hillary if he was running this year.
 
Pexbo said:
I can't help but think that it's certain that a Republican fairly right of centre is going to be president in 4 years (and 3 months).

Firstly they'll have the "Not Hillary" vote and secondly it's clear as day that there's a huge number of American's hungry for some right wing politics right now, no doubt thanks to Murdoch and co. I'm certain whoever the candidate is will be a somewhat moderate version of Trump. Playing on the same fears and prejudice in a more conservative manner.
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I don't think so. First of all the Republican Party is going to be involved in civil war for the foreseeable future, and may even split, with a new party founded by Trump. Secondly, their core support base - white + evangelical christians - has been shrinking for years relative to population growth.
 
Silva said:
Hillary would need to be a really catastrophic president for someone that far to the right to win. Republicans needs to massively overcome the gender and minority voting gap to get to 270, they're not going to do that on a platform of misogyny and racism.
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Bingo.

She needs to do 3 things:
  • Don't get involved in any ground war
  • Don't tank the economy
  • Don't get any new scandal
Admittedly, knowing the Clintons and their penchant for secrecy, point 3 is quite tricky, but if she can, then the GOP will simply run into a demographic wall they can't breach. Every 4 years the share of whites in the electorate drop about 1.5-2% and minorities share increase proportionally.
 
OUCH!

Strong rumours tonight that Trump is blaming KellyAnne Conway for his recent poor results in the polls. It's also been said that someone overheard him saying she is vastly overpaid and not worth the money. I'm not going to link Twitter gossip and will wait for a more reliable source, but this has picked up very quickly in the last half an hour or so. Also, she apparently melted right down on CNN tonight, also waiting for those clips to be uploaded.
 
Cheesy said:
Plus there's the simple fact that you need to go back to WW2 era to find the last time either party was in power for more than 12 years, which makes sense in a way considering people eventually tire of government and vote in someone else instead.

I'd say it largely depends on how much damage Trump does to the Republicans in this election. If they escape with a poor defeat and him just being a blot, they can throw in someone like Cruz or whoever in 2020 and have a chance of winning - if things get even messier, they could struggle in the wake of an unprecedented defeat.
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Worth noting though that the GOP won 5 out of 6 presidential elections from 68 to 88, the loss only coming after Watergate, and even that was only by 2%. Winning electoral coalitions can be very durable, particularly when they're expanding (as the Dems' current one is). The long term effects of the Trump campaign on the voting habits of women will be very interesting to track.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Admittedly, knowing the Clintons and their penchant for secrecy, point 3 is quite tricky, but if she can, then the GOP will simply run into a demographic wall they can't breach. Every 4 years the share of whites in the electorate drop about 1.5-2% and minorities share increase proportionally.
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It's a very unhealthy situation for American politics to be in. In a two party system, you need to have a second party that actually functions. If they become unelectable, things will get pretty ugly. The Dems have moved to the right over the last few decades and currently occupy the position that used to be held by moderate Republicans, whilst the Republicans have moved so far to the right that no one knows where they are. They'll have to come back to the left a little bit if they want to get elected any time soon.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
It's a very unhealthy situation for American politics to be in. In a two party system, you need to have a second party that actually functions. If they become unelectable, things will get pretty ugly. The Dems have moved to the right over the last few decades and currently occupy the position that used to be held by moderate Republicans, whilst the Republicans have moved so far to the right that no one knows where they are. They'll have to come back to the left a little bit if they want to get elected any time soon.
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Bit like Tories and Labour, no?
 
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