2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins
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He's an avowed Clinton supporter for eons, but the source is hardly disreputable. It's also consistent with other tracker like The Atlantic's.
The view from China
http://shanghaiist.com/2016/10/09/chinese_media_mocks_election.phpEarlier this year, the nationalistic Chinese tabloid, the Global Times used Donald Trump as an example for why democracy doesn't work. Following one of the most explosive days in American political history, Chinese state media are now using the entire presidential race to trash the American political system and its suitableness for other nations.
A People's Daily editorial published yesterday argues that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have spent more time during the campaign focusing on personal attacks rather than politics, neglecting important issues and popular dissatisfaction with the government. The editorial, written under the pen name "Zhong Sheng" or "Voice of the People" concludes.
For a long time, the U.S. has boasted that its lively election is a sign of its system’s superiority. However, the essential purpose of the election is to provide a driving force for development. The most important task for presidential nominees is not to win the election, but to eventually govern the country.
It's time for the U.S. to take a close, honest look at its arrogant democracy and flawed politics.
The Global Times also offered its own take on the presidential race. After recounting the flaws of the two historically unpopular candidates, the editorial theorized that perhaps Clinton and Trump aren't really to blame:
It's possible that they are in fact not that bad in real life and have passable ethic standards. It may be the US election system that made them fierce. They describe each other as villains, because they want to manipulate public opinion in orderto win the presidential race.
The editorial admits that, compared with dictatorships, the US and the Western political system does have its advantages, but it may not be for everybody:
Through the 20th century, dictatorships had mostly disappeared or been reformed. The concept of democracy had been widely spread around the world and adopted in many countries' political systems in different forms. Ferocious battles for votes have become the theme of Western politics, rather than promoting policies. Western countries have a legal system in place to secure social stability in the face of such chaos, but many developing countries which hastily learn from them only incur social instability.
The election will continue to be the top entertainment in the US. The race to the bottom will continue to mislead people, as well as make them rethink the value of democracy. The question of how democracy should be practiced is far from being answered.
Neither editorial mentions China's own political system. Chinese leaders and state media have long pronounced that China is simply too big, too uneducated, and too unstable to govern through democracy
I long for the days when a POTUS holds military parades as tanks roll down the streets, planes fly over head, guns and missiles on show, men and women march in cadence.
All pre-pussygate.
Senate race:
Pretty good all things considered for Dems, especially with Murphy within MoE.
It's not left-wing bias, we're just all on the correct side of the issues rather than being rightie loons.
You should know, reality has a well known liberal bias.
"Nobody will allow"
If the President wants to launch nuclear weapons, the only people who can stop him are the Secretary of Defense (whom can be removed from office by the President - or might just be a yes-man themselves) and the people actually launching the missiles.
He's not going to talk to big business - he won't have time in a defensive scenario, and in an offensive one, talking about your plans to others outside of the government is an absolutely stupid idea from a national defense and MAD perspective.
Like it or not, the POTUS is the most powerful person in the world and if he wants to launch a nuke, you're going to be relying on Constitutional crises (troops refuse, can the 25th Amendment be invoked in time, does the POTUS have the power to keep going down the list of deputies beyond the Secretary of Defense to confirm the two-man launch, etc.) to stop him.
Trump probably thinks a nuke is just two missiles tied together.
Trump slamming the Republican party and its leaders on Twitter for not supporting him. Sorry I cant link his tweets atm. Hilarious though. Surely his advisors haven't told him that's a good idea?He has split the Republican party in so many ways, not just down the middle. It's like he's hung them and is now draw and quartering them for all the world to see.
Seems like there's enough leeway to prevent a batshit crazy president from nuking.
This is exactly how I envisage trump going in the second debate
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016...e-judo-heres-how-to-bring-it-to-st-louis.html
Too late... possibly... but I think he is going to hit her with everything he has got and go down swinging... and you never know possibly landing a big blow in the process
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016...e-judo-heres-how-to-bring-it-to-st-louis.html
Too late... possibly... but I think he is going to hit her with everything he has got and go down swinging... and you never know possibly landing a big blow in the process
Hillary just needs to walk out today and put a packet of orange Tic-Tacs on her podium...shit, even offer one to Donald.
This is ridiculous and it's stupid that it's still being discussed and taking up space in this thread.
Yes there are people to stop him, but the point is, what if they don't want him to? Like Iran? Half of America thinks they should be at war with Iran and if there were tensions in the area between Iran, Israel or whoever he would probably get little opposition to the strike. Where someone would handle it differently he wouldn't. Thats what you don't seem to get despite being told numerous times.
Would be hilarious if Drumpf sinks Little Marco twice - once in the primaries and again by way of pussygate.....led by Drumpf and Jeb's cousin no less .
You are an incredible doomsday thinker if you think Trump would actually use nuclear weapons. You don't seem to get that Trump simply wants to gain votes with his macho talks.
There really isn't.
Nixon during his impeachment trial was completely paranoid and desolated, known to drink heavily and wander the WH in the depths of night with the football and the biscuit at his side (yes, Google that). It came to a point that his SecDef warned every silo launch and personnel involved that they must alert him if the president consider a nuke strike, and quite a few Senators were alarmed to fast track invoking the 25th in such event.
That was when men were terrified of nukes and sane enough to work together, and the CoC was an intelligent man who got lost in his depression, not the fecking megalomaniac asking for the job right now.
You should do some actual research before spouting your hippy bs.
So let's deny the US of their nuclear weapons then? If they are that prone to a batshit crazy president actually being able to use nukes if he pleases?
You're like a dog with a bone with this one.
They are what they are, they have the biggest nuke stockpile in the world and their system/mentality in dealing with it is still stuck in the Cold War era.
So let's not delude yourself that we are any safer now than in the 60s/70s from the threat of a nutjob killing us all.
Or perhaps someone who realises that the US has not used nukes for 70+ years and only resorted to them as a very last resort to beat Japan down to their knees.
You sound like farrage with his alpha male shite
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37601422
Yeah he might have said "grab em by the pussy" but it's bantz init
The issue about Trump isn't about Nukes. It's all the the other things that make him a massive liability.
Do I argue otherwise? Have I during this whole discussion in any way implied that Trump is a good candidate?
Yes I have never condemned Trumps words in this topic. This quote of me is from before this whole discussion:
I'll say it now. The bolded part is no reason to justify Trumps words, they should not be condoned and justified even if there is a certain truth to the bolded part. As a potential US presidential candidate he has a responsibility.
Ok, since you've managed to suck up the oxygen over the past few thread pages, what precisely are you arguing then ?
That if Trump actually becomes US president I do not think he will actually use nukes. I think it's just crap he spouts. I fear for other things he might do but using nukes and starting a new world war is not something I fear for during an actual Trump presidency. I find it unrealistic that the US in any way will nuke a country in the next 4-8 years. Once again, the whole discussion here is about the use of nuclear weapons.
Trump is getting warmed up on twitter.
Can't believe I was worried about him quitting.
The campaign could more or less be over mid week after the dust from the 2005 tape and 2nd debate settles.
what time is the debate?
Edit 02:00 BST. I'll tape it and watch it when I get up.
Edit 02:00 BST. I'll tape it and watch it when I get up.
Amazing.
Just checking in after a night out. Loving that it's still all go go go 
Planning to try to get loads of sleep to be able to wake up for the debate and still be awake enough to work Monday morn....
Planning to try to get loads of sleep to be able to wake up for the debate and still be awake enough to work Monday morn....This one is so amazing, encouraging his supporters to boycott other GOP candidates.
Wow, Trump is on a mad one right now. Retweeting like crazy. And this kind of stuff too..
I hope he goes postal and exposes a bunch of Republicans up for elections and delivers the Senate along with the White House for Dems.
No Marco, it's a trap
.... but the Trump tape came out first. Unless they knew the email dump was coming, it looks more like the Trump side reacted to it and tried to blast that story out of the water. There was about 1 1/2hrs between the release of both.
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