It isn't that different. Trump is an irresponsible, xenophobic, fecking stupid narcissist and millions of Americans are falling for him. I can't fathom how you can ignore that.
2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins
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And risk World War 3? My god, you truely have some incredible fantasies man...
Oh that is comedy gold thereI'm not ignoring that. I'm ignoring the idea that Trump will use nukes.
The one with a lot of fantasy in here is you!!
Yeah, suggesting the US would actually think about nuking Germany or Russia is more realistic than thinking otherwise.
You've really not paid attention to the election have you?What on earth would he gain by nuking Syria and Iran?
So you're taking him literally there, but not Trump?Yeah, suggesting the US would actually think about nuking Germany or Russia is more realistic than thinking otherwise.
Ok then.
And cut out the fecking smilies will you. They're barely acceptable when you're not ignoring the body of evidence.Yeah, suggesting the US would actually think about nuking Germany or Russia is more realistic than thinking otherwise.
He will use them because he's fecking stupid and, I repeat it: He's severely psychologically fecked. He's not acting reasonably in any way. He's totally overestimating himself and his abilities.
Therefore, he will absolutely use nukes if he enjoys it, and I have no doubt that he'd be bragging about it being the first president with the balls to use them since Truman.
I have no idea that's a long wall and I suppose that in Trumps mind the wall goes with miradors, machine guns, electric wires, cameras, etc...
The Berlin wall was fairly expensive and relatively compared to the "Mexico Wall".
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1) How about we take the Nazi-sounding guy at his words and not elect him, instead of disbelieving him on the chance that he doesn't mean what he says, only to find out otherwise?
2) Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
1) How about we take the Nazi-sounding guy at his words and not elect him, instead of disbelieving him on the chance that he doesn't mean what he says, only to find out otherwise?
2) Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Do you guys seriously believe Trump would risk World War 3 and completely annihilate any credibility the US had + upsetting Big Business (losing profits) etc etc etc?!
Based on Trump's admiration for Putin, Germany is more likely to be nuked.Yeah, suggesting the US would actually think about nuking Germany or Russia is more realistic than thinking otherwise.
Demagogues can never deliver on their promises, the only way to overcome their inability to deliver is to blindsight the population with war.
DICKERSON: They talk about the presidency and who has the finger on the button. The United States has not used nuclear weapons since 1945. When should it?
TRUMP: Well, it is an absolute last stance. And, you know, I use the word unpredictable. You want to be unpredictable.
Mate, with germany it was a joke to illustrate how this guy is ticking. With Russia it wastn a joke, this men knows nothing about the world, he knows nothing about diplomacy or anything like this. This would be the most horrible politics in and outside the US. He knows nothing about the reasons of the Syria/Irak crisis, he knows nothing whats going on between Russia and the US, he would say: "I hate them, they are the enemy." And in any little thing he would be harsh to Europe that they have to follow his orders, no complaining about that Russia is in the near and we have to deal with them to some point. You know how the ralationship between us and the US was while Bush was in charge and were going into the Irak illegaly? He hated us for our choice to having nothing to do with this stupidness. With Trump it would be more harsh, it would divide everything.Yeah, suggesting the US would actually think about nuking Germany or Russia is more realistic than thinking otherwise.
Not so complicated is to imagine what he is thinking about Northkorea or the Syria/Irak case: In his head its the easiest to just wipe it out from the surface of this planet. That are the categories in which he is thinking!
And to argue FOR trump despite that he said such stupid things, that is what i call "having fantasy". While fantasy is a to cute term for that crazy dangerous thinking which would lead our world to his end!
A NATO member nuking another NATO member?
He's already shown utter contempt for NATO and has advocated for the US to act as the mafia, only protecting those who pay for it.
You know what, maybe it's true - maybe Trump is just bluffing and it's all for show. Maybe he really does have a good plan and knows how to use nukes. But then again, maybe Hillary Clinton is actually an incredibly-gifted orator with sheer amounts of charisma, but chooses not to show it to avoid overshadowing Obama.
If you're not going to judge the candidates on their words and actions, what else are you going to judge them on?
You can't just fill in the blanks with whatever you believe will happen. You'll be falling into the trap of projecting your own thoughts on top of him. "Trump is vague, but he can't be that bad, right?" Well, that is about as logical as "Trump is vague, but that means he must be worse than what he says."
You can tell that Trump lacks foresight and that is precisely what is required when it comes to nukes. How would Trump handle the Cuban Missile Crisis? Given his short temper, he would probably have nuked Cuba within 24 hours. Given his short memories and inability to focus, he'd probably forget details within hours and order a strike on another country instead.
If you're not going to judge the candidates on their words and actions, what else are you going to judge them on?
You can't just fill in the blanks with whatever you believe will happen. You'll be falling into the trap of projecting your own thoughts on top of him. "Trump is vague, but he can't be that bad, right?" Well, that is about as logical as "Trump is vague, but that means he must be worse than what he says."
You can tell that Trump lacks foresight and that is precisely what is required when it comes to nukes. How would Trump handle the Cuban Missile Crisis? Given his short temper, he would probably have nuked Cuba within 24 hours. Given his short memories and inability to focus, he'd probably forget details within hours and order a strike on another country instead.
And the even more scary thing is that many of his voters have the same "let's just nuke em!" mentality. I see it reflected in their teenagers who ask me "why can't we just nuke them" every time we discuss ISIS, Al Qaeda, North Korea, etc. All they are doing is regurgitating what they hear from their parents.
The response time the US president have to make a decision upon alert that a nuke is coming their way is 7 minutes, maybe less.
Think about it.
Think about it.
Based on Trump's record, he doesn't care for money, just about himself and his image.
Good comparison!
What if he starts popping off nukes in international waters as a threat under the guise of tests like NK, very plausible from what I have heard from him.Common sense does. Nuking countries, building an actual wall among the Mexican border, give me a break.
A wall would be attempted in my opinion and would become a vast dark money pit that would leave a unmitigated pile of shit behind. The guy loves to build in to debt and something like this would make him cream his pants. Expect the kids to suddenly start a few construction companies that will suck the teat until dry.
He maybe bullshiting but it's a whole different game if he is elected. He lives in an unnatural reality built by lies, bigotry and pussy grabbing which explains the strange expression on Ivanka's face when she is in front of the camera with him.
Presidential candidates promise all kinds of things only to break them, intentional or not. (if not, why promise them? Why should I vote for you if you can't get the work done?)
Examples for Obama:
- Did not enact the Buffett rule.
- There are still US troops in Afghanistan.
- Has not recognized the Armenian Genocide yet.
- Couldn't close Guantanamo Bay yet and he's almost done with this 2nd term.
Examples for Obama:
- Did not enact the Buffett rule.
- There are still US troops in Afghanistan.
- Has not recognized the Armenian Genocide yet.
- Couldn't close Guantanamo Bay yet and he's almost done with this 2nd term.
Trump doesn't care at all for NATO allies. He's made that perfectly clear.
Are the incoming missiles targeting city with a Trump hotel?
Key word right there.
His signature policy was healthcare reform, he did that, and has incremental progress on the rest. Trumps signature policy is to build a wall, he will do that.
And Trumps propensity to use nukes isn't simply that he's expressed a willingness to do so, it's also because the President has near unilateral ability to use those weapons. Policy is not made by the president alone, but nuclear action does not require congressional or senate approval and the checks and balances will not stop those strikes.
So true. But thats the saddest part of the whole story: we wouldnt have to debate about Trump if there wasnt such an amount of stupidity in the US.
Hope that we get rid of Trump the next weeks. BUT: the core, the reasons of this men is inherent in the US right now, and this wont not exist anymore only cause of Trump is away. Imagine a new Trump in the future with just one braincell more, which leads to hide a bit more in the elections and let their nature only out after the elections? We are fecked.
The same goes with right-wing things all over Europe. Brexit,AfD,Le Pen all those feckers....nah iam getting sad again, have to focuse on the momentum that we might get rid of Trump..one step after another..
That's not just comparing apples and pears but apples and fish.
Trump is a deeply psychologically fecked. He's a narcissist. He has ADHS and BPD. Obama might not have delivered on all of his promises, and you might not like what he has been doing. However, the guy has a brain, uses it, takes advice and weighs pros and cons. Something Trump is totally incapable of.
The promises are an aim - that is the direction he will head towards. Obama wanted out of Afghanistan and wanted Guantanamo Bay closed, and he has made substantial progress towards it.
The simple reality is that POTUS is just the head of one branch of government and that he cannot do it alone. He's the President, not a Dictator. The Buffett Rule has no chance of getting through the House, for example, and there was significant pushback from State and Federal level for Guantanamo.
He delivered on healthcare when he had a Democratic majority in Congress to work with.
If the Tangerine fecktard gets in, he'll have a GOP Congress with him. And as the leader of the party, he'll have them bend to his will, or risk being primaried.
Yes, presidents don't get most of the thing they campaign on done, but they try. Historical data back it up.
Mar-a-Largo would be my bet
Watertight reasoning there.
The lot of them are fecking crazy, King David, "we will have to bow to the most powerful man in the universe", genius for losing nearly a billion in one year and answer every question about trump with a "well Hillary".
See guys, what Trump does is trying to impress the US people with macho words. Lots of Americans are still very patriotic, they don't want the US to lose face, compromise with other countries, see their military power diminishing etc. Trump gives the impression that he will make the US stronger again, and that he won't hesitate about using nuclear weapons to take out enemies or showcase the US' military power etc. But these are highly unrealistic things and he fecking knows it. But if it earns him votes, he will keep on spouting that crap.
I assume he's going to properly melt down. There have been some articles on how Trump 'prepared' for it, and based on those articles, he'll be totally unprepared. Although he test-drove in front of hand-selected supporters who raised softball questions who Carr read out loud, Trump was unable to gave coherent answers, to adhere to the time limit of two minutes, and he left after a dozen of questions although Carr said he'd take 20. The debate is 90 minutes long with no commercial or bio break. It seems he again didn't do a full mock meeting where someone acts as Hillary or her supporters.
I stocked up on coffee beans to make sure I stay awake tomorrow night. I want to witness the massacre.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html
This aren't empty words. He really doesn't think using nukes is a bad idea. He's consistently proven himself to be a stupid, egotistical, trust fund kid who's shit smells like fecking roses.
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