2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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Fergies Gum said:
Would agree with that. He is using this as a stepping stone to 2020 if they lose.



It was, but he was too aggressive especially at the start and kept interrupting.
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Oh yeah I agree..but for what he was trying achieve he can't let Pence set the tone of discussion..
 
If i'm perfectly honest nobody really won last night.

Kaine started awfully, he was extremely nervous and it showed with his constant interrupting, but he grew in to it the longer it went on. He delivered some good lines and made some extremely valid points. Also, a few times, he got the very last word and Pence didn't even try to respond or reply and in those times there was a little moment of silence and it felt like Kaine's points were just left hanging there, and that should go in his favour.

Pence was on a whole, awful. He is extremely robotic, he comes across as incredibly condescending and patronising and there were too many times where he discussed policy issues that Trump hasn't ever mentioned. He was clearly trying to promote himself a bit on those occasions. There were also too many times were he flat out denied things Trump has said, and the trouble is it was often things that EVERYONE knows he has said. There were also many times where he just didn't bother trying to defend Trump because you could see he had no defence and didn't want to go there.

Neither of them really changed anything at all. Kaine did come across as nervous and irritating while Pence was dull and emotionless and neither came across as Presidential. If Pence thinks he is building a platform to 2020 then in my opinion he has built it on quicksand because it's bad enough that his policies are so archaic and religion based, but he has sold his soul to the devil, and I doubt that will be easy to shake. Every question thrown at him will be about his association with Trump. He can't throw Trump under the bus because he then loses the core Trump supporters and all he will end up gaining are the evangelicals and extreme religious right which isn't enough to win a General Election.

All in all it was a bit of nothing really and I doubt many bothered watching the whole thing, and of those who did, I bet even fewer really give much of a shit about those two.
 
The result is still awful for Trump. Kaine did not need to win the debate.
On the other hand, Pence did not only need to win but he needed to change the narrative of both campaigns last night.
From what I've seen, all Pence did was give the impression him and Trump aren't even on the same ticket. He want out there to save his skin.
Kaine went into the debate trying to defend a comfortable lead. He did need to take huge risks by becoming an attack dog that he clearly isn't. Could have been a disaster.
Tomorrow, all we'll still be talking about is Danald Trump and since that's the case, Kai e did a respectable job.
 
langster said:
If Pence thinks he is building a platform to 2020 then in my opinion he has built it on quicksand because it's bad enough that his policies are so archaic and religion based, but he has sold his soul to the devil, and I doubt that will be easy to shake. Every question thrown at him will be about his association with Trump.
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The dems will be compiling every word he utters to smash him in 2020, as that story that ran earlier this week talked about #bindersoftrumping
 
Why are we still discussing the VP debate? It's a fool's errand. Even Biden vs Palin didn't matter. The name of the game is top of the ticket.
 
Ramshock said:
Was Kaine that bad?
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He was fine. The debate was more or less a draw that won't help move the needle for Trump. Going in, Hillary had pretty strong momentum and this did nothing to stop that. Trump himself will have to do that on Sunday night, which won't be easy given that it's a town hall style setting. If she wins the 2nd debate it will give her insurmountable momentum imo.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Kaine had a awful night. Failed massively at trying to get under Pence's skin.
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I could see his frustration, how do you debate a guy who is so purposely oblivious to recorded statements and projects himself in a cool manner when inside he is full of hatred. Pence is a failed governor who jumped on a failed ticket with the worst candidate in this country's history and has eyes on 2020. Kaine laid out facts, not speculation. He used Trumps actual words and his running mate denied that they were said at least a dozen times. They were intentional lies covered in the usual conservative bullshit. He also looks like a cross between a 70 year old lesbian and a koala bear who doesn't blink.
Not that it matters but I feel Kaine won because he used facts and explained policy. Yes he came across a bit rude at the start but I will give him that after the shit show produced by Trump last week. Pence is knowingly lying and covering his ass while spouting debunked and unrealistic conservative shite. Pundits saying he won based on the reasoning " if you watch the debate with the sound off ", who the feck watches a debate with the sound off. I heard a few of them saying that Kaine was annoying, now they now how the people that know Pence feel after watching his smug mush pushing his hatful rhetoric with a canned smile on his face all of these years.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Would agree with that. He is using this as a stepping stone to 2020 if they lose.



It was, but he was too aggressive especially at the start and kept interrupting.
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he doesn't have a hope if the Duck Dynasty grandfather decides to run or any other reality tv personality that openly confesses to hating everyone that doesn't look like them.
 
Raoul said:
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A rated pollster with no bias.

Edit: On closer examination, T+5 w/ whites is fairly transient. Johnson at 11. Probably just a temporary flux due to Machado/tax fall out. Shave 4-5 points off J -> T and it'd look much closer to the current average.
 
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The current no toss up map

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Just saw a brilliant tweet but can't find it again because my Twitter feed is moving so quickly. Basically it said that more people have already seen the ad Hillary put out of Pence denying him and Trump saying things and then the clips of them actually saying them, than people that actually watched the debate last night. That's quite astonishing if true, and also extremely damning.
 
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