2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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The Firestarter said:
Bloomberg to fact check the debate in real time. Sadly, knowing who watches them, won't make a difference anyway.

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/presidential-debate-fact-check-real-time-bloomberg
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This will make a massive difference since the post-debate pundits can reference it immediately when they are interviewing the post-debate spinners from both campaigns. They can basically ask Trump surrogates to explain why 70% of Trump's statements were false.
 
Raoul said:
This will make a massive difference since the post-debate pundits can reference it immediately when they are interviewing the post-debate spinners from both campaigns. They can basically ask Trump surrogates to explain why 70% of Trump's statements were false.
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For everybody's sake , I hope you are right.

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But hasn't it been already pointed out numerous times, on those other networks different from fox which supposedly the undecided watch, that he basically sprouts 97 per cent blatant lies?
 
Still love that bit in the second 2012 debate where Obama got the moderator to fact check something. Romney camp complained for ages that it was unfair.
 
Ubik said:
Still love that bit in the second 2012 debate where Obama got the moderator to fact check something. Romney camp complained for ages that it was unfair.
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Imagine Kanye moderating the debate. "Imma let you finnish, but...."
 
Get ready for another shift in odds once Silver's interns finish punching these numbers into the machine.

 
elnorte said:
What's the explanation behind the latest swing?
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The Reuters/IPSOS polls were done from Sep 2-22, so some of the sentiment could've been recorded before Hillary's deplorable comment and health problem, at a time when she was significantly further ahead in the polls. That said, Trump also dealt with the Birther issue during that period, so its hard to tell how solid the numbers are.
 
Raoul said:
The Reuters/IPSOS polls were done from Sep 2-22, so some of the sentiment could've been recorded before Hillary's deplorable comment and health problem, at a time when she was significantly further ahead in the polls. That said, Trump also dealt with the Birther issue during that period, so its hard to tell how solid the numbers are.
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Ok, thanks.
 
The Firestarter said:
I would say as likely as Rooney appearing on MUTV and explaining information preservation in black holes and why Hawking was wrong.
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Oh you missed that one? He was on last week explaining string theory, and apparently next week he is going to discuss quantum physics, quantum mechanics, and explain how in reality electrons can be in two different places at the same time. He's quite the thinker is our Wayne.
 
The polls have been all over the place today. Hope Hillary doesn't come to regret pulling funding from Colorado so early.
 
langster said:
Oh you missed that one? He was on last week explaining string theory, and apparently next week he is going to discuss quantum physics, quantum mechanics, and explain how in reality electrons can be in two different places at the same time. He's quite the thinker is our Wayne.
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He will demonstrate it using two footballs. He has many on his possession these days.
 
The hard-partying surfer turned master assassin who is Trump’s guest at the debate
It’s become pretty clear that if Donald Trump manages to win the election, he will outsource—wholesale—major areas of policy so that he can focus on making America great again by repeatedly telling us how great he is making America great. Depending on who he hires to run various parts of the U.S. government, it could end up being more frightening than it would be if he was just randomly deciding who to go to war with and other shit based on something he saw on Twitter last night.

Recently, Trump has been touting the endorsements he has received from a variety of military figures, including one of the most insane lunatics in modern U.S. history, Gen. Jerry Boykin, an open bigot who proudly views himself as a Christian crusader. There has been much written on Boykin’s views on Muslims (hates them, wants all mosques banned and believes Islam should be exempt from First Amendment protections), his belief that Obama is implementing Shariah law with the help of George Soros and the AIG bailout (or something) and how history has misunderstood Hitler. Oh, and Jews should all convert to Christianity and Jesus is a “man’s man” and will return to planet Earth wielding an AR-15. Jesus “was a man’s man, but we feminized him in the church…he was a tough guy and that’s the Jesus that I want to be like,” Boykin said. “I believe now – I’ve checked this out – I believe that sword he’ll be carrying when he comes back is an AR-15.”

Boykin, who has a storied career in the world of Pentagon Black Ops, has become a sort of carnival barker in his retirement, though he does maintain real connections to and respect from some very unsavory quarters of the national security establishment. Secretary of Defense Boykin would look a lot like a weird LSD trip at the Project for a New American Century—with Boykin dressed as a cowboy riding a nuclear missile shaped like a crucifix and launched at teh Muslin. Thankfully, Boykin has enough documented bat shit crazy that anyone putting him through a Senate confirmation proceeding would almost certainly be punking all of us.


What is not so unlikely, however, is that retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn ends up with a top post in a Trump administration—perhaps CIA director or Defense Secretary. Flynn, who served as the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, has basically become Trump’s private belligerent Wikipedia on defense policy. He has become a permanent member of Trump’s travel squad as the parade of bigotry has circled the country. And he is one of Trump’s honored guests at the debate tonight. Flynn has made his own share of controversial comments, including suggesting he may be OK with killing the families of suspected terrorists and tweeting, “Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL.” But, Flynn should not be dismissed as just another wacko like, say, Don King.

Flynn, who traded his life as a hard-partying surfer for a military commission in 1981, rose to become one of the most influential figures in the dramatic post-9/11 expansion of the role of U.S. Special Operations forces globally. Along with Gen. Stanley McChrystal and Adm. William McRaven, Flynn was the embodiment of Donald Rumsfeld’s view that the world is the battlefield. Flynn, who ran the elite Joint Special Operations Command’s intelligence operations, is still revered as a legend within the military intelligence world.

Ironically, it was Flynn whose black ops programs laid the groundwork for President Obama’s “counterterrorism” strategy in Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan and, increasingly, Syria and, once again, Iraq. Flynn has made clear the disdain he has for Obama, but real recognizes real and Flynn, like Cheney, knows that Obama has used his credibility with liberals to put a stamp of legitimacy on key components of their beloved dark side.

After 9/11, Flynn was on the knife’s edge of the intelligence technology that would be at the center of the mounting, global kill/capture campaign. In both Iraq and Afghanistan, Flynn and JSOC waged secret wars within the broader conventional wars and dramatically expanded the pace of night raids. Central to this strategy was taking prisoners and extracting information from them as quickly as possible.

It was this urgent need for human intelligence and the pressure from the White House and Pentagon that would lead to a brutal regime of abuse and torture of detainees held by JSOC. Unsatisfied with the pace of interrogations being conducted by the CIA and other U.S. agencies in the early stages of the Global War on Terror, Rumsfeld and then-undersecretary of defense Steve Cambone developed a parallel rendition and detention program to the CIA black sites. The program was “Rumsfeld’s answer to the CIA death squads envisioned by Cofer Black,” the former CIA official, reported investigative journalist Jane Mayer.

Flynn and JSOC represented the potential to fulfill Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney’s wildest dreams of what a streamlined, well-funded, secret force could do— and accomplish away from the prying eyes of Congress and the media, or even the CIA.

Flynn’s major counterterrorism critique of Obama centers around the decision to officially end extraordinary renditions (though renditions still occur under Obama—we just outsource the torture to foreign partners) and to stop putting prisoners at Guantanamo. Flynn has no problem with assassinating people with drones or SEALs, which Obama has proven quite adept at doing. But Flynn believes that the black sites and Guantanamo are necessary in order to conduct a borderless, global hunt and kill program.

“You cannot conduct counterinsurgency, counterterrorism, or counter-guerrilla operations without having effective interrogation operations,” Flynn told The Intercept in an interview last year. “If the president says, ‘Defeat this enemy,’ but you say you need resources that you never get, you just can’t defeat the enemy. Without the ability to capture or interrogate, your effectiveness when conducting counterterrorism operations can be cut in half, if not even lower than that, and that’s the challenge that we face.”

Flynn’s presence in Trump’s corner means that a very sophisticated, accomplished assassin could end up in a position of tremendous authority. At a minimum, Trump’s childish awe he exhibits around military figures—especially Flynn—will make it very easy for the black ops crowd to ram through their agenda. Combined with the Christian supremacy and bigotry within Camp Trump, the embrace of the JSOC and CIA paramilitary worldview would resurrect some of the most horrendous aspects of the Bush-Cheney program and combine them with the worst of the Obama administration’s policies. Perhaps Trump would call this bipartisanship.
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:lol:
 
langster said:
:lol: Trump will explain it showing how tax returns can be in two different places at the same time, but still not be out in the fecking open for the public to see. :lol:
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That's the uncertainty principle yet again. The more you know about the location of a tax return, the less you know about its content.
 
The Firestarter said:
That's the uncertainty principle yet again. The more you know about the location of a tax return, the less you know about its content.
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More physics puns please lads! Can his tax returns exist in a state of waved-away-because-TERRORISM and particular-of-an-audit-so-too-important-to-share at the same time?
 
PedroMendez said:
The hard-partying surfer turned master assassin who is Trump’s guest at the debate
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Chilling to think this is a real possibility now. I just hope there is not another Curtis Lemay lurking around his camp somewhere. Just a quote from the man to see what this is about:

“However, the public opinion in this country and throughout the world throw up their hands in horror when you mention nuclear weapons, just because of the propaganda that’s been fed to them.”
 
Feeling more confident about the debate now, which is a terrible sign because this year that's always been when things start going wrong.
 
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