2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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rednev said:
Presumably if it were not for today's incident being caught on camera, Hillary's pneumonia diagnosis would not have been made public. It makes you wonder what else has not been made public.
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Absolutely right, no chance in hell would they have revealed anything were it not for the footage.


hbgreg said:
Yes, clearly something is not right, she is diagnosed with pneumonia. Armchair diagnosing someone with severe neurological problems for having a cough or being dehydrated is so completely idiotic that the person who would make that connection themselves would actually have a neurological disorder.
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Time will tell. I hope she's not hiding a serious illness, because those three presidential debates will be an absolute nightmare for her if she is. And I don't want Trump in office either.
 
Tbf, and I'm being a bit of a contrarian cnut here, people on the left, including on here, love armchair-diagnosing Drumpf's mental capability or lack thereof, so it's par for the course that Clinton is getting the same shit from the right.
 
I'm curious to see Trump reacts to this. If he mocks her he'll be considered a cnut. But he doesn't have the discipline to project concern without being cnutish.
 
Wouldn't be the first time the US had a President with health issues.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/08/the-medical-ordeals-of-jfk/309469/

If I were a voter it would only be an issue if I were somehow very undecided between two candidates. Other than that there's a ticket you vote for, with a VP right there (which is why it matters, looking at you Sen. McCain), and a host of policy proposals you expect the Administration to attempt to carry out.

If Hillary Clinton were wheelchair bound tomorrow and Donald Trump finished an Ironman (he would finish 1st of course), I'd still prefer she be the next President.
 
hobbers said:
I certainly agree with that, provided she's lucid.

But I wouldn't trust a word from her own doctor, frankly. I've never really been interested in her health before today but there's already the discrepancy between the 2 months recovery time from her concussion claimed by her doctor and the 6 months revealed by Bill. Then there's the issue of perfect health... certainly doesn't look like it. For one thing, people in perfect health very rarely contract pneumonia, it's a very opportunistic disease.
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Do you trust Trumps doctor or are you waiting for Dr. Oz's opinion this week, remember this, Clinton deals and surrounds herself with serious professional people, Trump does not.
Let's add context though. Over the last eight years she has ran in a presidential primary, a tough battle, she has travelled all over the world as SoS, no easy task even for a spritely young person, a grandmother and another tough primary. I couldn't do that in my twenties never mind my sixties. I expect a person to be laid out every once in a while after all that but I bet my last coin she would still put in more days in the oval than Bush, doubt she would be in bed at 9pm like him either. If the choice is a bed ridden Clinton or the healthiest person to ever run for president (trumps gastroenterologist's words not mine), Donald J Drumpf, I would take Hillary every time.
Jesus Christ people, imagine FDR was around today with his affliction, he would be crucified, what a lost opportunity for mankind to miss. St Reagan was overtaken by Alzheimers in his second term and I have never heard a conservative mention that once. Pneumonia is something that happens. Long term minor effects from a concussion happens. Narcissistic tendencies with a compulsive need to fabricate you're own reality is far more serious when being elected to public office.
Look at it this ways guys, if you didn't know Hillary or Donald but interviewed them extensively for a management position, who would you call back for a second interview?.
 
MarceloFalcon said:
Wouldn't be the first time the US had a President with health issues.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/08/the-medical-ordeals-of-jfk/309469/

If I were a voter it would only be an issue if I were somehow very undecided between two candidates. Other than that there's a ticket you vote for, with a VP right there (which is why it matters, looking at you Sen. McCain), and a host of policy proposals you expect the Administration to attempt to carry out.

If Hillary Clinton were wheelchair bound tomorrow and Donald Trump finished an Ironman (he would finish 1st of course), I'd still prefer she be the next President.
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Don't forget Palins STD. Off course I have no proof of that, I'm just assuming, the same way trump assumes some Mexicans are not rapists and murderers.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Tbf, and I'm being a bit of a contrarian cnut here, people on the left, including on here, love armchair-diagnosing Drumpf's mental capability or lack thereof, so it's par for the course that Clinton is getting the same shit from the right.
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Was thinking the same.

If Trump had so much as a wobble on a podium at one of his rallies the mainstream media would have a field day. What would be said if he had wobbles and faints and suspected seizures and persistent coughs and had to be supported to climb up stairs and conked out from heat stroke at a 9/11 memorial and contracted pneumonia.......


GiddyUp said:
Do you trust Trumps doctor or are you waiting for Dr. Oz's opinion this week
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No, I wouldn't trust anyone's personal doctor, or any celebrity doctor, which is who I'm guessing that is?
 
Grinner said:
I'm curious to see Trump reacts to this. If he mocks her he'll be considered a cnut. But he doesn't have the discipline to project concern without being cnutish.
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He'll try to use it as a way of painting her as being dishonest, considering all the conspiracies etc that she's got something worse.
 
hobbers said:
Was thinking the same.

If Trump had so much as a wobble on a podium at one of his rallies the mainstream media would have a field day. What would be said if he had wobbles and faints and suspected seizures and persistent coughs and had to be supported to climb up stairs and conked out from heat stroke at a 9/11 memorial and contracted pneumonia.......




No, I wouldn't trust anyone's personal doctor, or any celebrity doctor, which is who I'm guessing that is?
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Yep. Peddling BS products on TV 24/7.
 
Grinner said:
I'm curious to see Trump reacts to this. If he mocks her he'll be considered a cnut. But he doesn't have the discipline to project concern without being cnutish.
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It will backfire if he does. It wouldn't be well received among the people he needs to reach out to the most (White suburban women, blacks, and latinos).
 
Man, can't believe I actually clicked on the link in that tweet.
 
hobbers said:
Was thinking the same.

If Trump had so much as a wobble on a podium at one of his rallies the mainstream media would have a field day. What would be said if he had wobbles and faints and suspected seizures and persistent coughs and had to be supported to climb up stairs and conked out from heat stroke at a 9/11 memorial and contracted pneumonia.......




No, I wouldn't trust anyone's personal doctor, or any celebrity doctor, which is who I'm guessing that is?
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Yes sir. They will sit there and diagnose Hillary on national tv and he will not be asked one hard question about his health, or hair.
 
senorgregster said:
Yep. Peddling BS products on TV 24/7.
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That's the reality for these people, it's why snake oil salesman have been around so long. If every one of Trumps supporters had a hundred million the country would be crisis crossed with abandoned crumbling monorails.
What really gets to me is the how the way of trump first came in to the public consciousness. It was through late night comedy shows. The MSM never said a thing about any of the dozens upon dozens of fecked up shit that guy has been up to all his life. If people on this thread are not aware yet this would be a Sunday morning well spent. You will laugh you're tits off then come to the terrifying realization that this is who the republicans want as president, even though over 70% of them don't agree with anything he says or wants to do. His hardcore base are in your face white nationalists, old school racists, the faux news ill informed and starfeckers.
This is a guy with ties to organized crime. A guy who has been successfully sued over discriminatory housing practices. Who values his name at three billion. Who calculates his net worth based on his feelings that morning. Who would date his daughter if he wasn't her father. Who allegedly viciously raped his first wife at the same time bragging about fecking his next wifeto the media. Who denies global warming stateside but will gladly cite its affects when looking for planning permission on his Scottish course. Who puts a goat in the corner of his golf course to claim agricultural tax credits. Who can't get money from any US financial institution because of his failed business and multiple bankruptcies. Who said there will be a press conference regarding his third wife's plagiarism, illegal status and falsified college degree, still waiting. Did I mention that he is a mysoginistic racist sob.
I could do this until the 7th of November and not repeat a sentence. This is not the guy I want in charge of my family or shaping my kids future and by extension you're kids future as this clusterfeck will not be contained in this country. If you think he is good enough for potus after informing yourself of his well documented car crash of a life then there is no more hope in trying to sway you to a rational decision. Billionaire you say, debatable. Successful you spout, just because you live in a gold plated hotel lobby on the penthouse floor doesn't make you a success in life. If you choose to believe the reality TV trump instead of the factual nice guy but attention span of a sloth failed business man Trump then I have a message for you. Reality TV is scripted. Inform yourselves before you decide who should decide for me, because I do it for you.
 
Just listened to an audio recording on Politico featuring Trump talk about how his building is now the highest in Manhattan after the towers fell. So typical of this guy. I interpreted this as him saying "since my cock is tiny I can now brag that my giant concrete cock is the biggest, low energy losers". He also called the new tower ugly, classy Donald. I think it's a beautiful erect shaft of gleaming steel, very similar to my own while trump tower is a tarnished flaccid shriveled up just out of the pool weenie that smells suspiciously like old rubles and shit stained yen.
 
Fair point, if Clinton has viral or bacterial pneumonia, what the feck is she doing hanging around her grandkids and hugging kids on the street?
 
hobbers said:
Fair point, if Clinton has viral or bacterial pneumonia, what the feck is she doing hanging around her grandkids and hugging kids on the street?
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Well, she's an evil witch who only cares about herself and her crazed lust for power.

That's clearly the simplest explanation.
 
She emerges from Chelsea's apartment saying she's never felt better, yet she's been diagnosed with pneumonia for two days?
I just refuse to believe people intelligent enough to be secret service or high level staffers didn't plan for this kind of contingency if they knew she had an illness as serious as pneumonia.
 
botond said:
She emerges from Chelsea's apartment saying she's never felt better, yet she's been diagnosed with pneumonia for two days?
I just refuse to believe people intelligent enough to be secret service or high level staffers didn't plan for this kind of contingency if they knew she had an illness as serious as pneumonia.
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How do you know they didn't? She wasn't feeling good and they immediately packed her into a car and took her to the apartment. What else could they have done?
 
kps88 said:
How do you know they didn't? She wasn't feeling good and they immediately packed her into a car and took her to the apartment. What else could they have done?
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Announced the condition beforehand.

Having her roam around in public with an communicable condition isn't great.
 
Poor Hilary, think for the benefit of her wellbeing she should pull out and let the second democratic candidate take over in her stead :angel:
 
What's the betting Trump ignores this latest scandal as well? Stealing money from his own charity, using donations to give as charity gifts for his sad TV show, paying his family from it and lying about donations and where they are really from and then taking donations, passing them over to another charity and claiming they are from his own pocket. Just when you thought he couldn't sink any lower. Unbelievable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8cce64-75df-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html
 
I know it goes without saying, but I just feel once again, all over again, what a woeful pair of candidates this is to have to choose between. Both of them barely manage (if at all) to have a patina of credibility that they'll do a good job, and they're far, far more likely to both be the worst presidents ever, for a variety of reasons each. I feel for you, America :(
 
Raoul said:
It will backfire if he does. It wouldn't be well received among the people he needs to reach out to the most (White suburban women, blacks, and latinos).
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My bet is that he wishes her well for the health issues she appears to be having and hopes that she can continue. Bringing up the health issue is enough to damage Clinton, in fact she manages that herself with her lying.

Its worrying that Trump hasnt already imploded
 
Smores said:
My bet is that he wishes her well for the health issues she appears to be having and hopes that she can continue. Bringing up the health issue is enough to damage Clinton, in fact she manages that herself with her lying.

Its worrying that Trump hasnt already imploded
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Not only did he not implode, but he also came back from his last slump after insulting Khan. If that didn´t sink him, nothing will. The health issue will hurt Clinton a lot in the polls. It is a home-run for Trump and that won´t backfire. If she would have been upfront about it, it would have been difficult. Now there are the concerns about her ability to hold office and all the cover-ups/deception about it. It is just another out-of-jail card for Trump, that he can always bring up when he is in trouble.
 
PedroMendez said:
Not only did he not implode, but he also came back from his last slump after insulting Khan. If that didn´t sink him, nothing will. The health issue will hurt Clinton a lot in the polls. It is a home-run for Trump and that won´t backfire. If she would have been upfront about it, it would have been difficult. Now there are the concerns about her ability to hold office and all the cover-ups/deception about it. It is just another out-of-jail card for Trump, that he can always bring up when he is in trouble.
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Has he got the tact though to not use it? He's shown in the past that he really doesn't. To succeed in not opening his mouth (or twitter account) on this, he'll need his new advisors to get through his attention deficit barrier and convince him of the merits. I don't think, with a full 2 months left, that he can be stopped from saying something grossly insulting about this at some stage.

My bet will be: "Crooked Hillary such a low-energy loser like all women, neumonea is for dummies and I'm winning in the polls!!!!"
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Has he got the tact though to not use it? He's shown in the past that he really doesn't. To succeed in not opening his mouth (or twitter account) on this, he'll need his new advisors to get through his attention deficit barrier and convince him of the merits. I don't think, with a full 2 months left, that he can be stopped from saying something grossly insulting about this at some stage.

My bet will be: "Crooked Hillary such a low-energy loser like all women, neumonea is for dummies and I'm winning in the polls!!!!"
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This election is dominated by the logic of political establishment vs genuine outsider and both sides play by different rules. He gets away with stuff, that she wouldn´t. He is grossly insulting on a daily basis. Of course he will talk shit about this as well. The problem is that the voters who haven´t made up their mind yet have another reason to doubt Clinton. Health issues are one of those things, that hurt any normal candidate.
I also don´t see how Clinton could try to frame this in a beneficial way. To arouse pity would be horrible for her, so she´ll have to continue to act tough, but Trump will just mention her fainting all the time. Without these videos things would be different, but visualizing these things makes a huge difference.
 
PedroMendez said:
This election is dominated by the logic of political establishment vs genuine outsider and both sides play by different rules. He gets away with stuff, that she wouldn´t. He is grossly insulting on a daily basis. Of course he will talk shit about this as well. The problem is that the voters who haven´t made up their mind yet have another reason to doubt Clinton. Health issues are one of those things, that hurt any normal candidate.
I also don´t see how Clinton could try to frame this in a beneficial way. To arouse pity would be horrible for her, so she´ll have to continue to act tough, but Trump will just mention her fainting all the time. Without these videos things would be different, but visualizing these things makes a huge difference.
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Yep, I agree. This is why I felt like saying they're two woeful candidates, for varying reasons :(

Honestly, would the best thing for America be for one of these to get elected and very shortly after have to quit? I think it might. Ample reasons why that could happen for either too.
 
hobbers said:
Fair point, if Clinton has viral or bacterial pneumonia, what the feck is she doing hanging around her grandkids and hugging kids on the street?
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The lizards offered up that kid so Hilary could suck her life-force out to replenish herself.
 
A bit on SC Trump supporters inclusiveness nature.

80% support ban on Muslims entering us
31% support ban on homosexuals entering
62% want national us Muslim database
40% want all mosques to be shut down
33% say Islam should be illegal
 
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