300 cases is normal? Assuming all 300 continue to commit fraud that is a whooping 6 fraudulent votes per state or 0.0002% of the votes cast!!! The horror!!!
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Also, perhaps the people pushing this voter ID should take a deep look at themselves casting votes for absent members...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/3/25/960053/-
As they debated a photo identification mandate for voters, House members passionately and frequently defended the imperative of ballot integrity.
And then, often and openly, many of them voted for themselves, then reached over and cast their colleagues’ votes, too, on some of the bill’s 63 amendments.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/3/25/960053/-
As they debated a photo identification mandate for voters, House members passionately and frequently defended the imperative of ballot integrity.
And then, often and openly, many of them voted for themselves, then reached over and cast their colleagues’ votes, too, on some of the bill’s 63 amendments.
I would be fine with having to show ID when voting, providing first of all that the Government provides free ID's to everyone and has ways of helping those get them who need help. But at the end of the day there really does not seem a reason for it.
Take a look at neutrals post above yours. Every state is different and they make it very difficult for certain people to obtain ID. Guess who these certain people usually vote for.
My exact stance though I suspect it would have to be at the state level. So, IMHO each state should prove that they have provided >99% ID coverage before any laws can be passed requiring voter ID.
The problem isn't showing IDs itself. Its that getting IDs are made difficult in a way where certain sections of the electorate are affected more than others and these sections are more likely to vote democratic than republican.
The lawmakers who make these rules know what they are doing. It's sold as an attempt to stop voter fraud but really itit's an attempt to lower democratic turn out.
The lawmakers who make these rules know what they are doing. It's sold as an attempt to stop voter fraud but really itit's an attempt to lower democratic turn out.
and this has always been the issue...of course there is nothing unreasonable with asking voters to show proper ID when exercising such an important act. You get Id'd to get into a club on the weekend...so why not to vote?
Except...the reality is, this works out as a major hindrance. To you, me or the average person? No. I have all manner of documentation, but there are genuinely millions of Americans without valid photo ID, and in some states, they are now being asked to produce Birth Certificates and Proof of Citizenship to obtain said Photo ID.
It sounds incredible, but the hoops people have to jump through, leads many to simply not bother.
anyways....I've derailed the thread enough....
Here is a laugh for the Bernie fans, when a guest goes rogue
Not finished digging and confirming but so far I think I've found 1940, 1920 and 1888. All old cases of this happening. Unlikely to happen again.
solid democratic counties in OH voting for Trump rather than Clinton.
trouble in the GE
trouble in the GE
So Ol' Karl is grasping at straws there. A brokered convention with their outcome will lose them the election.
Kasich may.
Are you kidding I think some states here still use paper to vote, they should make a federal law and change the voting system.
I'm guessing you didn't read:
"The Heritage Foundation’s list of nearly 300 documented cases of voter fraud in the United States continues to grow.
Recent additions reveal that voter fraud is not just an individual or isolated crime; in some counties and communities, election fraud is almost a way of life."
Some had 4 years to get ID's
I'll go out on a limb and guess that she doesn't know what socialism is. That guy gave some opinions that actually sounded like they'd been thought over. It's quite odd to see that when the rhetoric is usually reduced to buzzwords and oversimplified opinions.
They can write whatever they want but it doesn't make it true. What are the specifics?
I think you are probably right. They didn't learn from hanging chads!
Would be my favourite possible scenario if a third party ran and came second above Trump's GOP ticket.
That would also guarantee Hillary or Bernie winning and complete the destruction of the Republican party.
That's the equivalent of abandoning a house because a squatter moved in. In this case, the house is a 161 year old conservative institution.
Wait, surely every adult american has an ID? I can't imagine society functioning without everyone having an ID.
How does Sanders have a better chance than Hillary to win the election? Don't site the polls of them vs Trump. Hillary has been the Republican's favorite enemy for decades, Sanders have hardly even been mentioned by them. We have no idea how those numbers will be affected if he wins the nomination and faces the full force of the GOP.
The same logic that says her Southern states in the primary after likely to go red in November can easily be spun round.
Difficult to find the details on this story but from what I can gather this happened:
The state started with about 180,000 and whittled the list to about 2,600 names they sent to election supervisors in April 2012. An Aug. 1, 2012 state elections document showed about 85 noncitizens ultimately were removed from the rolls, out of a total of about 12 million.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/article/2013/sep/12/noncitizen-voter-purge-makes-comeback-florida/
Absolutely not.
Feck's sake. Ok, then how does one prove who his is, what's his age, etc.?
I don't think UK adults have IDs.
Pretty good write up on it.
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/stat...rcia-fudge-says-11-percent-eligible-voters-l/
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/stat...rcia-fudge-says-11-percent-eligible-voters-l/
Am I the only one who finds that really bizarre?
How do you buy alcohol or get into clubs when there's an age requirement?
How do you buy alcohol or get into clubs when there's an age requirement?
I agree, just pointing out that there are many countries that do not have IDs.
I didn't know that. Always assumed it's just a given in any first or second world country.
Well if you are 18-21 said ID doesn't gain you access to the nightclub. Let's say you are in college, no need for a car why have a driver's license? Not traveled outside the US... no passport.
Over a certain age? No need to have a current drivers licence.
Many other examples.
I'm not sure I understand your point. If you drive you should have a driver's license, if not, you shouldn't. Which is why having an ID is necessary. One that is not a driver's license or a passport and is required for everyone over a certain age.
I believe government IDs here are basically limited to drivers licenses, military ID and passports. If you don't drive, are not military or don't plan on traveling why would you get and maintain any of these? Some examples of this: Old ladies over 65 with zero interest in driving. College kids without cars. NY residents who can't afford to park a car and only use public transport (I know many NY residents who have no car). And finally, low income minorities who don't have 4 days to spare to play document roulette with the racist white guy behind the counter. Now, if nationwide Federal laws came into place mandating these for all and actually made it EASY to obtain these, that changes the discussion.
Edit: I'm all for a national ID as unamerican as it is.
Good exit polling for Bernie and Cruz so far.
Pretty sure that all states have a State ID. Atleast Oklahoma had one when I was there.
Think Bernie will do well today....Hillary is going to have to revamp her campaign team AGAIN
Where are they?
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