2012 Baseball Thread

Yep. In their defense, they have a horrible park and for the last half dozen years a mediocre team.


It's not the same as a comparison to the NFL or football in Europe because of the huge amount of games in baseball. Speaking of which, no games today :(

When I still lived in the Bay Area, I did calculations on how much it'd cost me to attend every game when factoring in A) tickets, B) transportation costs, and C) lost revenue from missing work for day games. This was deliberately not including any food and drink costs. It was over $15K, and I lived 30 miles away from the Coliseum.
 
When I still lived in the Bay Area, I did calculations on how much it'd cost me to attend every game when factoring in A) tickets, B) transportation costs, and C) lost revenue from missing work for day games. This was deliberately not including any food and drink costs. It was over $15K, and I lived 30 miles away from the Coliseum.


A small price to see Eric Sogard.


It doesn't have to be 30,000 people attending every game. 10,000 season ticket holders and 300,000 people going to five games is enough.
 
:rolleyes: the rangers pissed their lead away and backed into the playoffs as a wildcard. i'll be surprised if they survive that game. the dicey pitching, in inability of the offense to drive in runs in scoring position in the last third of the season, base-running blunders to numerous to count, has done them in. hamilton will not be back! they need to save that money and do some rebuilding.
 
I see Hamilton going east/northeast, possibly to Boston though both Atlanta and Baltimore could be in the mix, Yanks if they want to dump Granderson. Unless some other club (Chicago clubs perhaps?) throws him some money.

Btw, Cabrera is hands down the AL MVP for me. Triple Crown and led his club to the division title. Trout had a great rookie season but ultimately his club came up short. I'm not one that buys into the bullshit WAR stat over actual numbers.

I'll go Posey in the NL just over Molina and Bruce.

Finally, I'm not liking this one-game wild card playoff. I'd rather see six teams in each playoff. I find a one-game playoff a ridiculous ploy by MLB. This isn't a one-game playoff to determine a division title which goes as a regular season game.

I'd give the top two records in each league a weekend bye to LDS. Wild card round would see the other division winner and next best overall record host the other clubs in a best-of-three home series over the weekend (sorry, but lesser record goes on the road, waaaa). Winners advance to LDS and will play same best-of-three series home series (i.e. two bye teams host the series). The LCS stays a best-of-seven.

This is what the series would look like today:
ALWCS
6 Tampa Bay @ Detroit 3
5 Baltimore @ Texas 4
1 New York, 2 Oakland bye (Yanks would host lowest remaining seed)

NLWCS
6 LA Dodgers @ San Francisco 3
5 St Louis @ Atlanta 4
1 Washington, 2 Cincinnati bye (Nationals would host lowest remaining seed)
 
The push for the extra wild card team was publically led by several sports writers amongst the reasons they gave for wanting this type of format was the "excitement of an elimination game." Now of course they then ignored the fact that by that logic all playoffs should be one game series.

Some of the writers were bothered by how successful the wild card teams had been in recent years in the play offs. Somehow they thought this type of extra game would help take away some sort of perceived advantage the Wild Card teams had by making them play an extra game.

Of course behind it all, quietly was the push by TV and the owner and probably the players union for another couple of games that would draw crowds and TV audiences so would increase revenue.

What I imagine will happen is that in a few years you will see many of the same writers complaining about how the one game play off is not a fair way to settle this and that it will be pushed to a best of 3 or best of 5 series. Of course nevermind the extra revenue that will generate.
 
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Dodgers came up short, so I guss I'll be rooting for the A's. Can't help but be impressed with what that team has done with the payroll it has. Anyone but the Yanks winning the Series will be okay with me.
 
Orioles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1st playoffs in a long, long time, and we've surprised the Wild Card Playoff, now for the evil Yankees. Sadly I think their postseason experience will be our undoing. But this has been a magic season.

Really wish I was stateside atm, the buzz would be amazing...I remember when Camden Yards used to be full night in, night out :(
 
Pat Neshek, a reliever for the A's missed the last two games of the season due to the birth of his first child.

He posted this on facebook.

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And then the next day he posted this "Please pray for my family. Tonight my wife & I lost our first & only son 23 hours after he was born with no explanation."


He's going to play in the ALDS now. "That was probably the best day I ever had, the one day," Neshek said. "I'd go through it all again just for that one day. It was pretty awesome."


:(
 
Braves got truly fecked by that bogus call. And of course MLB denied the protest, as if MLB would allow a protest and replay the game from the point forward when the networks run the game come October. The judgment call is just a bullshit excuse for MLB.
 
You're in the wrong on the Trout issue, MrM. I'm an A's fan, and I detest the Angels and their plastic SoCal fanbase, but the bullshit argument is your claim that Cabrera deserves the award because his team made the playoffs. Detroit had a worse record, FFS! They just play in a weaker division.
 
Braves got truly fecked by that bogus call. And of course MLB denied the protest, as if MLB would allow a protest and replay the game from the point forward when the networks run the game come October. The judgment call is just a bullshit excuse for MLB.


:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


Infield fly 100 feet into the outfield, unbelievable.
 
I don't call a 30 yard run into the outfield ordinary effort, especially when he never even got underneath the ball.
 
Give me real statistics over geek stats.

I don't know why "geek stats" is supposed to be derisive. Real stats are just as convoluted and less logical. I presume you think RBI, Wins and Saves are "real statistics" right?

Consider this situation,

Runner on third, one out. Batter hits a ground ball to the second baseman. The runner takes off from third and scores easily. At this point, the batter's impact on the play is irrelevant and the runner will score no matter what.

If the second baseman fields the ball and throws it to first for the out, the batter is awarded an RBI. If the second basemen lets it go through his legs, he is charged with an error and no RBI is awarded.

Pretty weird, right?


What about saves? A reliever can earn a save for entering in the 9th inning with a 3 run lead. In that situation a team has a 97% chance of winning, why reserve the best reliever on the team for only save situations? What if there is a situation with runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out in the 7th? Why not use your shutdown reliever then? Remember when Texas beat Baltimore 30-3 a few years back? A Texas reliever actually earned a save in that game, showing how silly the rule really is.


Moving on to wins, why should a pitcher be held accountable for the performance of his offense? Maybe during the days of Cornelius McGillicudy we didn't have better ways of analyzing a pitcher's performance but we do now. It isn't a pitcher's fault if his offense doesn't score. In 2000, Pedro Martinez pitched 9 innings, had 17 strikeouts and allowed one run. A truly phenomenal performance. Unfortunately, the Red Sox didn't score and Martinez was charged with a loss.

In 1959, Harvey Haddix faced a Braves lineup featuring Eddie Matthews and Hank Aaron. Also in the lineup were Joe Adcock (336 home runs and an All Star), Wes Covington (hit .330 the year before), Del Crandall (8 time All Star) and Andy Pafko (4 time All Star). Haddix threw a perfect game for nine innings. The only problem was the Lew Burdette was throwing a shutout on the other side. So Haddix threw a perfect tenth inning. Burdette allowed a single but no run scored. In the 11th, the Pirates again singled but could not score so Haddix threw a perfect 11th inning. Bill Mazeroski singled in the 12th but did not score so Haddix threw another perfect inning. Twelve perfect innings! In the top of the 13th, the Pirates had their fourth straight two out single get stranded so Haddix went out for the 13th. In the 13th inning, his perfect game was broken up by an error from the third basemen. After a sac bunt by Eddie Matthews, Haddix intentionally walked Hank Aaron. In the thirteenth inning, his incredible perfect game lost to no fault of his own, Haddix gave up a RBI double to Joe Adcock and took the loss for the game.

On Tuesday, James Shields threw 9 innings and struck out 15 batters but gave up 1 run and took the loss. That very same day, Zach Duke threw one inning and allowed 2 hits and 1 walk but got the win.


These stats are archaic. We can do better and we have done better. It's time for everyone to embrace that.
 
I don't call a 30 yard run into the outfield ordinary effort, especially when he never even got underneath the ball.

It wasn't the right call but it wasn't that bad either.

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You can see in the gif that he does get under the ball before he is called off by the left fielder. The umpire (taking reaction time into account) calls the infield fly as soon as he thinks the fielder is under the ball (when he puts both hands up as fielders commonly do). This is a standard practice for judging whether the fielder is under the ball because umpires in that situation watch the fielder and not the ball.


New study finds that majority of bullshit calls go to other team
 
Also, because Mike Trout's year was just so much better than Cabrera's I will even prove it with outdated stats.


This is actually Cabrera's third best year. He led the league in OBP the previous two and was a better hitter all around.


If we use the idea that is occasionally trotted out about how a true MVP has to make his team better and we should measure his impact by looking at the difference he makes then Trout wins. When he was in the minors, the Angels were 6-14. Since Trout has been called up, the Angels have the best record in the major leagues.

The Angels actually have more wins than the Tigers, so unless we're holding it against Trout for not realigning the American League divisions, it is hard to say he isn't more valuable than Miggy.

Mike Trout, despite missing a month, leads the AL in runs and stolen bases. Miguel Cabrera leads the league in grounding into double plays. Mike Trout has went from first to third on a single 16 times. Miguel Cabrera has done it once. Mike Trout's stolen base success rate is 91%. This is better than any individual season from Henderson, Raines, Lopes, Wills, Brock, Coleman or LeFlore. Mike Trout is the best baserunner in the league.

Miguel Cabrera plays in a offense neutral ballpark. Mike Trout plays in a pitcher's park. Let's compare their away stats. In batting average, Mike Trout leads .332 to .327. In on base percentage, Mike Trout leads .407 to .382. In slugging percentage, Mike Trout leads .544 to .529. Mike Trout is a better hitter than Miguel Cabrera.

Miguel Cabrera was slightly below average at third base this year. That is my opinion from watching almost all of the games this year and that is the opinion of the Tigers fanbase. The advanced defensive numbers agree with this assessment, putting him at -0.2 defensive wins above replacement. Mike Trout is a gold glove favorite in center field. He does things like this
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. The advanced numbers also agree with this assessment, rating Trout's defense as 2.2 wins above replacement level on its own. Mike Trout is a better fielder than Miguel Cabrera.

Let's recap.


Batting - Trout
Fielding - Trout
Baserunning - Trout
Team Wins - Trout
 
It has already started as I predicted, sports writers are starting to call the game play off format inadequate (seems they are upset a team with a worst record beat a team with a better record due to a bad call and that the same thing can happen with fluke plays also). Of course that ignores the fact that a bad call or fluke play can decide a best of 3, 5 or 7 series also. Won't be long till baseball lengthens the playoffs some more by having the wild card be a best of 3 or 5 series.
 
They should just dump the Wild Card, division champions only and lets get the show on the road. I know people will cryout that it might mean teams with better records don't make it but so what, play to win your division and don't worry about the rest.
 
WAR, by the mere definition, is a replacement player that is a Triple-A caliber player, i.e. minor league player, according to Kurkjian or Olney (as stated during a Mike and Mike segment), cannot recall which (an ESPN analyst in the link below further dives into it). So Trout's explosion disproves the notion that a replacement player cannot be a solid hitter or an outright great player in all facets of the game, and thus can be argued to render a player's "wins above replacement" false. Same could happen with Trout - the Angels could have another phenom in the minors who is called up and excels if Trout were injured (or goes the Joe Charboneau route). Technically, there is no suggestion that a Triple-A player is even quality enough to be a backup in the Majors. The rate of minor leaguers making the majors are something like 1 in 100. Therefore I find the replacement player definition a bit of a fallacy as it's a fictional player. You can't divide zero into any number and not get zero. We might as well rename it WARH (Wins Against Roy Hobbs).

WAR does not take into account that Cabrera 1A) switched positions so 1B) the club could sign Fielder, and 2) lost 20lbs to play 3B. This metric also cannot begin to compare the two defensively as they play separate positions, and OF is given more importance in the category as the possibility of saving more runs exists on balls in play in the outfield versus infield, as is base stealing which benefits the speed player and undermines the guy that through genetics does not have elite speed (1B is weighted less than SS for example). If they played the same position the defensive argument would hold far more water. I can counter steals with doubles, neither a trump card. I can counter runs scored with runs batted in, after all someone has to drive in the runners just as much as runners need to get on base to score. Back to defense, Cabrera shared the MLB lead with most putouts by a 3B (127) which saved plenty of potential runs; no one will argue Cabrera is a gold glove candidate and Trout may well win this award this year/future - he's a five tool guy but that alone doesn't win MVP. However, it's not like Cabrera is a crap fielder highlighted by his 3rd in fielding %, 3rd in assists, and 2nd in double plays in the AL. If defense is the deciding factor then Ken Griffey Jr or Brooks Robinson should have won multiple MVPs. If you're going to use defense to highlight Trout's supremacy I will use RISP with two outs - Cabrera hit .420 and OPS 1.211, Trout hit .286 and .782 OPS - that's clutch hitting.

WAR does not take into account the late season playoff push. While Cabrera practically carried his club past the ChiSox to a division title with a ridiculous offensive onslaught from August forward ((BA-HR-RBI).344-19-54 from 1 Aug, .333-11-30 from 1 Sep), while Trout struggled (.287-12-28 from 1 Aug; .289-5-9 from 1 Sep) as his team not only failed to catch Texas but allowed Oakland to leapfrog past the club, ultimately missing the playoffs. An MVP should be far more productive down the stretch. This metric does not reflect Trout's 139 whiffs (horrible for a leadoff man) while Cabrera struck out 98 times (respectable for a middle-of-the-order hitter). Spare me the Angels better record, by a whopping one game. Had Trout continued his first three months production the Angels are probably in the postseason; if Cabrera struggles late the Tigers miss the playoffs in all probability. The Rays won more games than both clubs but I don't see anyone arguing for David Price to win AL MVP. This metric claims Trout had the 20th greatest season in MLB history, which is outright laughable (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_bat_season.shtml). So that's him already greater than Griffey Jr, Aaron, Williams, Foxx, Rodriguez, Clemente, etc. WAR, what is it good far? Absolutely nothing.

WAR does not reflect that Billy Hatcher was fired as the hitting coach and Pujols finally started hitting by mid-May. It can be argued that Trout provided an offensive spark to an already stacked lineup but that's discounting Pujols career hitting - he was eventually going to get back to his career averages (form is temporary, class is permanent argument). This metric does not take into account that Pujols is a better hitter than Fielder (comparing each MVP candidate's best hitting teammate) or that Pujols had changed leagues and needed to adjust, nor that the Angels have a better overall offense and defense.

WAR is a great metric for scouting, contract negotiations, etc., but is not the deciding factor for an MVP award, IMVHO. And as I always argued against ARod for MVP while in his Texas years, it's most valuable player not most outstanding hitter/player. Jacoby for MVP backers used WAR to claim he was certainly the MVP, and discounted Verlander because he was a pitcher. While I'm not one of those people that votes for pitchers to win MVPs (I personally believe an MVP should be an everyday positional player but that's not to say a pitcher can't be a most valuable player to a team), the WAR argument was not the trump card for Ellsbury. I personally felt Granderson was the true definition of most valuable player in 2011 despite low batting average and "WAR" (similar to Kirk Gibson-1988 in many facets). Voters did not see it that way and placed him fifth but they did not vote Ellsbury the MVP based on his WAR stat. Now, in defense, Ellsbury's season was not as good as Trout's, nor Cabrera.

Finally, WAR had the likes of Gordon and Zorbrist rated higher than (Adam) Jones, Pujols and Hamilton. All five are exceptional players but here reflects WAR favors the player that is multidimensional and/or better defensively/runner. Do you know many GMs that would rather sign the former duo over the latter trio if money and other factors are considered?

The problem with WAR is it's another statistic and we're obsessed with them in our culture. Look at MLS - they have all kinds of stats that the rest of the world scoff at (granted, it's a different sport). Baseball has been the biggest statistical sport in our culture and will always be. It has touched other sports both positively and negatively (the worst being QBR in NCAA/NFL). The bottom line is Cabrera achieved a rare feat, much rarer in the last fifty years than a rookie exploding onto the scene and putting up MVP statistics (see Fred Lynn, Mark McGwire, Ichiro, Fernando V, etc.), and his club won their division and made the playoffs.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/27050/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-war
 
Wow. That's a lot of words. I'll break it down piece by piece.


WAR, by the mere definition, is a replacement player that is a Triple-A caliber player, i.e. minor league player, according to Kurkjian or Olney (as stated during a Mike and Mike segment), cannot recall which (an ESPN analyst in the link below further dives into it). So Trout's explosion disproves the notion that a replacement player cannot be a solid hitter or an outright great player in all facets of the game, and thus can be argued to render a player's "wins above replacement" false. Same could happen with Trout - the Angels could have another phenom in the minors who is called up and excels if Trout were injured (or goes the Joe Charboneau route). Technically, there is no suggestion that a Triple-A player is even quality enough to be a backup in the Majors. The rate of minor leaguers making the majors are something like 1 in 100. Therefore I find the replacement player definition a bit of a fallacy as it's a fictional player. You can't divide zero into any number and not get zero. We might as well rename it WARH (Wins Against Roy Hobbs).



You have totally misunderstood the concept of WAR. Here is a good definition. The concept is that every team has journeyman players in their minor league system who can be called up and provide a certain level of performance. That level of performance is bad. (There is a reason that every franchise has these guys in the minors, they aren't good) A team full of replacement level players would win about 40 games per year. Another way to think of replacement players is someone with a minor league contract that can be acquired for a PTBNL.


WAR does not take into account that Cabrera 1A) switched positions so 1B) the club could sign Fielder, and 2) lost 20lbs to play 3B. This metric also cannot begin to compare the two defensively as they play separate positions, and OF is given more importance in the category as the possibility of saving more runs exists on balls in play in the outfield versus infield, as is base stealing which benefits the speed player and undermines the guy that through genetics does not have elite speed (1B is weighted less than SS for example). If they played the same position the defensive argument would hold far more water. I can counter steals with doubles, neither a trump card. I can counter runs scored with runs batted in, after all someone has to drive in the runners just as much as runners need to get on base to score. Back to defense, Cabrera shared the MLB lead with most putouts by a 3B (127) which saved plenty of potential runs; no one will argue Cabrera is a gold glove candidate and Trout may well win this award this year/future - he's a five tool guy but that alone doesn't win MVP. However, it's not like Cabrera is a crap fielder highlighted by his 3rd in fielding %, 3rd in assists, and 2nd in double plays in the AL. If defense is the deciding factor then Ken Griffey Jr or Brooks Robinson should have won multiple MVPs. If you're going to use defense to highlight Trout's supremacy I will use RISP with two outs - Cabrera hit .420 and OPS 1.211, Trout hit .286 and .782 OPS - that's clutch hitting.

Cabrera switched positions and moved to third base in order to sign Fielder. But he still insisted on playing the field. (Which is fine, he is a valued asset and if the Tigers want to keep him happy then they will let him) If he was concerned first and foremost with winning the most games, he would have been willing to be a DH and let Dombrowski get an actual third baseman to play third base.

Your argument that you can't compare them defensively because they played separate positions is like saying you can't say Zidane is better than Bramble because they play different positions.

Ken Griffey Jr. should have won multiple MVPs. He was clearly the best player in 93, one of the two best in 94, 2nd best in 91, best in 97, and best in 96. Brooks Robinson won the MVP once and finished top 5 four more times.

You also misunderstand the defensive stats. Outfield is not inherently weighted more than third base when it comes to defensive calculations. Trout's centerfield defense is compared to a replacement level centerfielder. Cabrera's third base defense is compared to a replacement level third basemen.

I don't understand what genetics has to do with anything. Trout is faster and his baserunning is more valuable.

First base is weighted less than shortstop because of the defensive spectrum, which is a different value than dWAR.

Cabrera's doubles edge is reflected in offensive war and OPS+, where Trout retains an advantage.

WAR does not take into account the late season playoff push. While Cabrera practically carried his club past the ChiSox to a division title with a ridiculous offensive onslaught from August forward ((BA-HR-RBI).344-19-54 from 1 Aug, .333-11-30 from 1 Sep), while Trout struggled (.287-12-28 from 1 Aug; .289-5-9 from 1 Sep) as his team not only failed to catch Texas but allowed Oakland to leapfrog past the club, ultimately missing the playoffs. An MVP should be far more productive down the stretch. This metric does not reflect Trout's 139 whiffs (horrible for a leadoff man) while Cabrera struck out 98 times (respectable for a middle-of-the-order hitter). Spare me the Angels better record, by a whopping one game. Had Trout continued his first three months production the Angels are probably in the postseason; if Cabrera struggles late the Tigers miss the playoffs in all probability. This metric claims Trout had the 20th greatest season in MLB history, which is outright laughable (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_bat_season.shtml). So that's him already greater than Griffey Jr, Aaron, Williams, Foxx, Rodriguez, Clemente, etc. WAR, what is it good far? Absolutely nothing.

Funny that for Miguel Cabrera's supposed clutchness, the Tigers finally overtook the White Sox in the last week days of September. On September 22nd, the White Sox were up by 1 game. On October 1st, the Tigers were up by 3 games. The Tigers went 7-3 during this stretch but Cabrera only had a .603 OPS. Also, Cabrera's September WAR was lower than Trout's, just like it has been in every month since Trout got called up.

Strikeouts are also included in WAR, so you are wrong again. And yeah, he did have one of the greatest seasons ever. It's not like WAR is a horrible stat that puts Gary Gaetti ahead of Cal Ripken Jr. Look at the leaderboard you posted, the guys at the top are some of the all time greats.

WAR does not reflect that Billy Hatcher was fired as the hitting coach and Pujols finally started hitting by mid-May. It can be argued that Trout provided an offensive spark to an already stacked lineup but that's discounting Pujols career hitting - he was eventually going to get back to his career averages (form is temporary, class is permanent argument). This metric does not take into account that Pujols is a better hitter than Fielder (comparing each MVP candidate's best hitting teammate) or that Pujols had changed leagues and needed to adjust, nor that the Angels have a better overall offense and defense.


First of all, it is Mickey Hatcher not Billy. Second, what does Albert Pujols have to do with anything?

WAR is a great metric for scouting, contract negotiations, etc., but is not the deciding factor for an MVP award, IMVHO. And as I always argued against ARod for MVP while in his Texas years, it's most valuable player not most outstanding hitter/player. Jacoby for MVP backers used WAR to claim he was certainly the MVP, and discounted Verlander because he was a pitcher. While I'm not one of those people that votes for pitchers to win MVPs (I personally believe an MVP should be an everyday positional player but that's not to say a pitcher can't be a most valuable player to a team), the WAR argument was not the trump card for Ellsbury. I personally felt Granderson was the true definition of most valuable player in 2011 despite low batting average and "WAR" (similar to Kirk Gibson-1988 in many facets). Voters did not see it that way and placed him fifth but they did not vote Ellsbury the MVP based on his WAR stat. Now, in defense, Ellsbury's season was not as good as Trout's, nor Cabrera.

Why would it be good for one and not the other? Also, no one is saying it should be the deciding factor every year. But when the edge is this huge? Yeah, that means something. I personally wouldn't vote pitchers for MVP either but that is just personal preference. The reason there wasn't much talk about WAR last year is because it said lots of guys were pretty close.

Finally, WAR had the likes of Gordon and Zorbrist rated higher than (Adam) Jones, Pujols and Hamilton. All five are exceptional players but here reflects WAR favors the player that is multidimensional and/or better defensively/runner. Do you know many GMs that would rather sign the former duo over the latter trio if money and other factors are considered?

WAR looks at the total value of the player, why shouldn't it?

The problem with WAR is it's another statistic and we're obsessed with them in our culture. Look at MLS - they have all kinds of stats that the rest of the world scoff at (granted, it's a different sport). Baseball has been the biggest statistical sport in our culture and will always be. It has touched other sports both positively and negatively (the worst being QBR in NCAA/NFL). The bottom line is Cabrera achieved a rare feat, much rarer in the last fifty years than a rookie exploding onto the scene and putting up MVP statistics (see Fred Lynn, Mark McGwire, Ichiro, Fernando V, etc.).

Rarity is not a good argument. What if, I don't know, Robert Andino became the first player ever to hit .274, have 14 caught stealings, 88 runs and be under the age of 24? What does that mean? Furthermore, what if Cabrera hit .330-44-139 (which he did)? A great season, definitely. But what if Edwin Encarnocion hit 45 home runs? Does that make Cabrera's season any more or less valuable? No.
 
RAH OOL, fantastic night of baseball. Just topped off by Valverde blowing up.
 
Even if the Yankees progress tonight they are going to need a huge improvement in their offense, honestly as soon as the playoffs start a lot of them going into hiding. A-Rod hasn't been good since 2009, his power has completely gone too now. Granderson strikes out far too often, Swisher is a bottler and thats effectively the heart of the order.

Ironic really because the pitching and bullpen has been fantastic, the offense Ibanez aside has been embarassing.