2012 Baseball Thread

If only Detroit had taken care of business in Game 4 they'd have Verlander in Games 1 and 5, which is basically two wins for Detroit against this current Yankees hitting show.

Instead, he probably starts Game 3 though that would make him available for Game 6 on short rest and Detroit down 3-2, or Game 7 if it reaches that far.

I give Detroit the advantage, they'll take it in six games unless New York start hitting.


And please, Washington, knock out St Louis tonight.
 
If only Detroit had taken care of business in Game 4 they'd have Verlander in Games 1 and 5, which is basically two wins for Detroit against this current Yankees hitting show.

Instead, he probably starts Game 3 though that would make him available for Game 6 on short rest and Detroit down 3-2, or Game 7, if necessary.

I give Detroit the advantage, they'll take it in six games unless NYY start hitting.

Please, Washington, knock out St Louis tonight.

Oh god yes, I'm so sick of the Cardinals beating better teams in the playoffs. 2006 and 2011 is enough for one century.
 
I'll take it, CC pitched a gem. Offense has gotta come out to play against the Tigers though.
 
:(

Stupid Sabathia...oh well, at the start of the season, no way did anyone think we'd make it to the playoffs let alone a game 5 against the Yankees.
 
What a game! My nerves are shot. Papa Grande has lost his swagger, threw one, maybe two, splitters. The rest were bp fastballs, but Cano still couldn't even get a hit! The perfect season seems so far away now. And Cabby seemed pissed off; I've never seen him like that.

Drew Smyly though, nerves of fecking steel. Destroys the heart of the Yanks' order

Delmon and his porn stache, keep it up baby!

Never know, if they would have won in the 9th, Jeter wouldn't have got hurt. Maybe he is out for the rest of the series, who knows?

Fair play to Yankee fans though. You're a wee bit shite compared to the mob the Tigers had to face last series. Keep on booing, and leaving early, and not even showing up...
 
Jeter is done for the season, fractured ankle.

Wow, that's a little surprising. I know he had to be carried off the field, but when I saw it live, it didn't look that serious.

TBH though, whoever was showing the game, be it TBS or TNT (can't remember), needs to fire that director. How many times did they miss showing a pitch because they had the camera on the crowd, or Girardi, or some random player in the dugout. I know these are first world problems, but when a pitcher tries to pick off a guy at first, why do you switch to the camera zoomed in on Cabrera? They didn't even show the replay of a injury to one of the key players in the series. Usually their replays are overkill, and they would show Jeter's fall from 30 different angles.

Either way, Valverde pitching like he was in AA may have been a blessing in disguise. Without that, Jeter may have played the whole series...however, the play didn't look that serious, so maybe that ankle was really fragile and it was bound to happen

On a side note, Eboue, do you think we'll see Valverde again this series in a tight situation? Leyland is extremely loyal, at times to a fault, but do you think there are any other options for a closer? I think he tried Benoit for a few games this season, but his outing last night wasn't that much better. He got his ass saved by Jackson...amazing catch, not flashy like Swisher missing the ball though
 
Jeter has been hobbling about for about a month now, I wonder if its just been on the verge for some time because they couldn't rest him, stress fractures aren't uncommon.

I can't be bothered to keep talking about the Yankees offense, its not the usual "Yankee fan" moaning; I'm entitled to expect multi-millionaire baseball players to occasionally square a ball up aren't I? Our three best players this post-season are a 40 year old Ibanez, a 38 year old Jeter (whos done) and a 38 year old Ichiro who we traded for; it honestly looks like now or never for this team.
 
On a side note, Eboue, do you think we'll see Valverde again this series in a tight situation? Leyland is extremely loyal, at times to a fault, but do you think there are any other options for a closer? I think he tried Benoit for a few ]games this season, but his outing last night wasn't that much better. He got his ass saved by Jackson...amazing catch, not flashy like Swisher missing the ball though

God I hope not. Valverde is one of the only home team players I have actively disliked. (others include Robert Fick, Jeff Weaver, Nick Fairley, Derrian Hatcher and Todd Bertuzzi) I can't stand his jive-ass antics and his strikeout rate has fallen off dramatically. I wanted him out as closer back in March.

I like Benoit but he has given up way too many home runs in the second half. I hope Leyland uses a combination of AlAl, Dotel, Smyly and Porcello and Valverde never pitches another inning in a Tigers uniform.

Leyland commented after the game that he and his staff will look at whether or not Valverde keeps the closer role. That kind of comment would mean he is done from any other manager but Leyland is incredibly loyal/stubborn so I can't be sure. That said, I've wanted Leyland fired since he started Figaro in the last week of 2009 then pulled him after 2 innings to kill the bullpen and then left Rodney in for 3 innings in the 1 game playoff loss to Minnesota. P.S. I hate the Metrodome. Burn it to the ground and then salt the earth.
 
I remember watching the ALDS last year and being scared EVERY time Cano came to the plate. The Cano of last year's series would have put one of Valverde's pitches deep into the upper deck. What the feck has happened Leg-end? I looked at his season stats and he has pretty solid numbers. His RBIs are down, but his home runs and batting average are higher then last year, as his his SLUG, OBP, and OPS (obviously). Did he struggle towards that end of the season or has he just fallen off in the playoffs?

Ibanez is that player now, the guy who I most dread seeing at the plate. I hate seeing him at the plate, A-Rod on the other hand....
 
I like Benoit but he has given up way too many home runs in the second half. I hope Leyland uses a combination of AlAl, Dotel, Smyly and Porcello and Valverde never pitches another inning in a Tigers uniform.

Don't like Fairley, hey? Would you like him if he was smart even to only get arrrested ONCE in the offseason? :lol:

My brother is convinced Alburquerque can be the closer in these playoffs. I'm not sure, but I don't see many other options. Dotel looked good when he came on for Valverde; at least he could throw a ball for a strike that had movement on it.
 
Yeah Cano's been hot and cold, he got hot towards the end of the season which kind of glossed over what you would expect from someone as talented as Robbie. He has really dramatic splits this year though, .359 against righties and just .239 against lefties.

He hasn't been as good as he has been in the past with RISP which is the biggest issue this year, its like .240 or something which when your batting 3rd, 4th, 5th with only 94 RBI's for the Yankees tells you something.
 
Don't like Fairley, hey? Would you like him if he was smart even to only get arrrested ONCE in the offseason? :lol:

My brother is convinced Alburquerque can be the closer in these playoffs. I'm not sure, but I don't see many other options. Dotel looked good when he came on for Valverde; at least he could throw a ball for a strike that had movement on it.

Can't stand Fairley. Lazy, stupid and dirty. I've hated him since I watched the Auburn-Georgia game a few years back. Auburn was up by several touchdowns with only a couple minutes left and the game was obviously over. Fairley did like 3-4 horrible thuggish hits with intent to injure the Georgia QB Aaron Murray. Eventually the Georgia offensive line had enough and they had all the lineman gang up on Fairley deliberately to send a message. It was ugly to watch Fairley spear Murray in the back and he deserved what he got. Can't stand guys like that. Football is inherently dangerous as it is. Guys who intentionally hurt people have no respect for the game or their fellow players, it disgusts me.
 
Oh god yes, I'm so sick of the Cardinals beating better teams in the playoffs. 2006 and 2011 is enough for one century.

At this point I am actually going to find it quite funny if the Cardinals do win the World Series this year. All these pundits and fans who have cried over the past seasons where Wild Cards teams knocked out teams with better records. So they pushed the league to add a Wild Card team with a playoff game between the two Wild Cards in an attempt to make it more difficult for them. It would be hilarious to see the whole thing blow up in their faces with a team that would not even have made the playoffs if the previous rules had been used winning it all.

:lol:
 
Spent the weekend in the hills/mountains of North Georgia (Oktoberfest in Helen, GA).

Motherfeckin' Cardinals. Ugh.

But much applause for the Tigers. I'm on their wagon this post-season. Maybe they will get the Cards and avenge 2006.
 
So what are the Yankees going to do with A-rod now? He is getting older (36 I think) and seems to be starting to break down a bit. Obviously at this point he is never going to become a post season threat who can carry them. He is signed for 5 or 6 more seasons to a ridiculously expensive contract.

It seems to me they will either have to buy him out of the contract, find some incredibly stupid team who would want to sign him but the Yankees would still have to pay some of his contract. Because I doubt he will say "Sure I will take a cut in pay" in a trade situation.

I think the Yankees got themselves in a bit of a bind with this guy.

Of course having said this, now watch the little bastard lead the Yankees back against the Tigers, lol.
 
He can't even get off the bench, they don't want him up there with his strikeout and warning track power.

They will attempt to shift him, perhaps have to either swallow most of the contract or take on a bad contract player. Marlins are a fit, Heath Bell for A-Rod plus a substantial lump sum. That's what they get for negotiating above Cashman's head, bad contracts they have to payout on years down the line.
 
2nd World Series for me. I was confident the first time around, bricking it already this time. Hopefully I'll be going to game 3 or 4.

I'm guessing it is going to be St. Louis, though I was really hoping it is going to be San Fran
 
Seeing as how poor they played the last two weeks I highly doubt had they beat Baltimore would they have suddenly found the hot switch. The only silver lining would have been facing a Yankees team that had cooled at the plate and had pitching issues. Detroit would have whooped Texas too.
 
Last night is another one of those "odd" baseball moments when you just realize some teams have that "destiny" about them.

Maybe things will change with Detroit having that extra hitter in the lineup, at home, and in potentially shitty weather conditions.

MLB needs to either adopt the DH universally or eliminate it from the AL.
 
Have to love the Giants. Two Championships in three years. In supporting United you get used to wining titles but supporting the Giants has been different. I have supported the Giants for almost as long as I have supported United, and seeing them come up short for about 45 years it feels great to see them finally win a couple of World series.
 
Massive trade going down between the Marlins and the Jays right now. I don't follow baseball but lots of my friends in Toronto are over the moon.
 
Jesus one season after opening a new stadium the Marlins are having a fire sale. Looks like they are clearing house in a big bad way, I hope the Yankees jump onboard and swing a trade for Stanton.
 
This is huge for the Jays. Finally, it feels like we might have a relevant team again. What the hell are the Marlins thinking?
 
I miss baseball so much and it's still only November. Great trade for the Jays. I still don't think they will win the division but they should be able to win 88 games and hope for a couple of breaks to get them into the playoffs.
 
Toronto got a great deal in getting shortstop Jose REyes. P.S.: This is not the first fire sale the Marlins have staged. Very odd organization.
 
Loria's a disgrace, as is MLB for letting stuff like the stadium deal happen. Good article by Jeff Passan:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins-trade-a-baseball-tragedy-bud-selig-deserves-blame.html
The conspiracy lives. It lives in Miami, where they're destroying baseball, just like they did in another city before. It lives in the hands of Jeffrey Loria and David Samson, the owner and president of the Marlins, the con artists who pilfered Miami's money before moving on to its dignity. And it lives especially with Bud Selig, the commissioner of baseball who's letting it all happen again, because he's part and parcel to it.

By now, in the fallout of a trade nuclear even by Marlins standards, Samson and Loria have been marked radioactive. To dump $181 million in salary like they did Tuesday – to trade Jose Reyes, Mark Buehrle, Josh Johnson, John Buck and Emilio Bonifacio to Toronto for a few prospects, a bad-attitude shortstop and a backup catcher – was galling even by their standards. And these were two men who for years lied about their finances, lied about their intentions, lied all to get Miami to build them a $634 million ballpark that was supposed to end this wretched cycle of turning a major league franchise into a swap meet.

And yet all this time, throughout the lies, the SEC investigation, the embarrassing payrolls, the pocketing of revenue-sharing dollars, the cries from the players' union and the gem of a stadium with all those empty seats, not a word from the commissioner. Not a lamentation that by the time the balloon payments on the stadium hit, Miami taxpayers will owe more than $2.4 billion. Not a sign that he intends to protect the sport from the cretins within. And not a chance, unless public outrage on the matter changes his thinking, that he'll use his best-interests-of-baseball clause to keep Jeffrey Loria and David Samson from murdering another baseball market.

This is not some Roswell, black-helicopter, second-shooter conspiracy. This is very real. This is three rich, powerful men getting together and using their influence and business acumen to affect dealings that hurt the sport and help their bank balances. This is an insult to those who care about baseball. And we know this all because this isn't the first time it's happened.

"This action is filed by the victims of a conspiracy to eliminate major league baseball in Montreal," begins a lawsuit filed July 16, 2002, by the former owners of the Montreal Expos. Among the defendants: Jeffrey Loria, David Samson and Bud Selig.

In the 45-page complaint, the plaintiffs alleged a litany of claims against the three, including that they had broken laws under the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO), which the government originally intended for mobsters. Loria, Samson and Selig were just that to Montreal, according to the complaint: They systematically devised plans to kill baseball in the city, all so they could move the franchise and profit accordingly.

Selig, the complaint stated, "had secretly determined that major league baseball in Montreal should be eliminated" and went along with Loria's plan to stop televising games and broadcasting them on radio in English. Samson ended complementary tickets for sponsors. And through a variety of cash calls, on which the minority owners refused to act because they disagreed with the franchise's direction, Loria nearly quadrupled his stake in the franchise, allowing him to pull off the deal that eventually netted him the Marlins.

MLB bought the Expos for $120 million and gave Loria a $38.5 million interest-free loan. Loria, in turn, purchased the Marlins for $158.5 million. And the Marlins' owner, John Henry, led a consortium to obtain the Boston Red Sox. It was good-ol'-boys glad-handing at its finest, and the consequences for the Expos were dire.

While Loria inherited a Marlins team that would win the 2003 World Series, MLB was sabotaging the Expos worse than the lawsuit imagined. The league sent the Expos to San Juan, Puerto Rico, for 22 "home" games. Nonetheless, they were tied for the wild-card lead on Aug. 28. MLB then refused to allow the Expos any September call-ups, leaving them wildly short-handed compared to their opponents and exacerbating their fade.

In November 2004, an arbitration panel ruled in favor of Loria, Samson and Selig, saying the plaintiffs' "sense of betrayal, even if justified, doesn't amount to fraud." That, of course, did nothing to allay their greatest fear coming true six weeks earlier.

On the final day of the 2004 season, Selig announced the Expos would move to Washington, D.C.

The job of a commissioner in professional sports is, ostensibly, to look out for the sport's welfare. In ousting Frank McCourt from owning the Los Angeles Dodgers, the perception was that Selig did just that. McCourt took a proud Dodgers franchise and turned it into a chop shop. Never mind that Selig himself blessed McCourt's ownership; at least he understood that charlatans like McCourt were bad for baseball.

The truth is more like this: Selig saw in McCourt someone dangerous and reckless with baseball's most prized possession, local television rights. McCourt was willing to pawn them off for an under-market price to help cover his debts. Selig refused to let the Dodgers set the market low, fought like hell to make sure that didn't happen, won that fight, watched the Dodgers sell for $2.15 billion and is watching them turn into the West Coast Yankees.

What he'll never say is that Jeffrey Loria is a far worse owner than Frank McCourt on his divorcingest day. He is the Voltron of awful owners. Like McCourt, Loria didn't have a whole lot of money; he bought his controlling stake in the Expos for $75 million Canadian, around $67 million U.S. at the time. Like Rachel Phelps in "Major League," Loria did everything possible to destroy his franchise in an effort to move it. Like Dan Snyder, he allowed his megalomania to influence personnel decisions. And like nobody else, he hoarded massive checks from MLB while passing along the bill for the stadium to the taxpayers.

The Marlins can claim the money comes from tourism-tax dollars. Truth is, Miami-Dade County moved general-use monies from property taxes to free up the tourist cash. This is the dirtiest secret of Selig's two decades as commissioner: The "golden era" of which he so often brags came off the taxpayer's teat.

Of the 21 stadiums built since Camden Yards started the boom in 1992, the San Francisco Giants' AT&T Park is the only one privately funded. Baseball's business plan depended on new stadiums with sweetheart deals filling the coffers of ownership groups lucky enough to leverage politicians or voters into signing off on them. Cities signed deal after dreadful deal, few worse than the Marlins', who paid for less than 20 percent of the stadium, received a $35 million interest-free loan to help and used $2.5 million more of public money to fund seizures.

Despite Loria and Samson's protestations otherwise, this was always the endgame of their stadium gambit. Selig saw the Marlins' audited finances every year. He knew they were lying. He went along with it anyway. That's how he does business. He protects his friends. It's why Fred Wilpon still owns the Mets. It's why Frank McCourt doesn't own the Dodgers.

It's why Jeffrey Loria will again be allowed to skate, even though this trade abandons all pretenses of competitiveness that he and Samson swore were guaranteed upon the construction of a new stadium. They spent last offseason recruiting the best free agents, and among Reyes, Buehrle and Heath Bell, they convinced some of them to join this new era in Miami, with a fresh name, fresh colors, a fresh start. The refusal to include a no-trade clause was organizational policy, not a big, bright warning sign that these swindlers would be franchise-slaughtering recidivists at the first sign of strife.

And it came immediately. Fans didn't show up, and whether it was because Loria and Samson's actions throughout the years whittled the base to nothing or the team was awful or a combination, it foretold a messy sell-off. First went Hanley Ramirez. Then Anibal Sanchez. And now the rest of them.

"Alright, I'm pissed off!!! Plain & Simple," tweeted one of the leftovers, star outfielder Giancarlo Stanton, and, well, he has every right to be. After opening last season with a $101.6 million payroll, the Marlins owe $19.6 million to their four players past arbitration. The rest are kids. Some with a couple years of service. A few with one season. Most with less than a year. This is not just going young. This is going pre-school.

Gone is any chance that Stanton – or anyone who cares about winning, frankly – will commit long-term to the Marlins, which means the payrolls will remain skinflint and the influx of shared money – now topping $100 million annually for the poorest franchises – will make the Marlins all the richer, increase their franchise value beyond the $450 million Forbes estimates. There are players desperate enough for a job, for a paycheck, who will take their money, dirty though it may be. MLB still allows Loria and Samson a roster with 25 spots to fill, after all.

How, after 13 years of desecrating two franchises, Loria and Samson continue to exist as owners rests squarely on Selig. He is supposed to be the gatekeeper, the protector, the guardian. And instead, he chooses to be the co-conspirator in the biggest fraud baseball knows.

This conspiracy is real. It's very real. And it's embarrassing that it's happening all over.
Kevin Towers continues to kill enthusiasm for the D-Backs, it's got to the point where I'll be happy to see Upton traded just so he can get away from the org. & hopefully become a great in a more deserving environment. I guess I should be thankful for the likes of the Marlins showing things could always be a hell of a lot worse.
 
Clubs can be relocated, damn shame a stadium cannot. Miami doesn't deserve that stadium and a couple hundred miles northwest a club is begging for a new stadium and the city needs it but is reluctant to build.

Looks like the ultimate Tiger killer is likely to become a Tiger...its early days still though

:confused:

Free agency rumors?
 
Have to love the Giants. Two Championships in three years. In supporting United you get used to wining titles but supporting the Giants has been different. I have supported the Giants for almost as long as I have supported United, and seeing them come up short for about 45 years it feels great to see them finally win a couple of World series.

And to think the city nearly lost the Giants around twenty years ago when St Petersburg was trying to get a club to relocate.
 
Cabrera's win is a triumph for ignorance, which was inevitable as the award is voted for by sportswriters, who if they didn't have the ability to wax lyrical about the crack of the bat and the lack of shame to write their stories BEFORE the games to as to beat deadlines, would spend their working days trying to make sure not to confuse the vats of cooking oil with the vats of cleaning fluid used to mop the bathroom floors.