tomaldinho1
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We shall seeThis isn't a 'realistic scenario.' We won't get anything close to 100m for your proposed sales and Osimhen will cost a lot more than 85m
We shall seeThis isn't a 'realistic scenario.' We won't get anything close to 100m for your proposed sales and Osimhen will cost a lot more than 85m
You clearly have not seen the New legislation from Uefa starting June 2022 I’ll send link now.
https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...gulations-to-replace-ffp-all-you-need-to-know
It’s not about having a quiet summer then things get worse read what I’ve said, the percentage allowance is greater this summer than it will be in 2024/25 where the Sales Revenue to wage percentage will be mandated at 70% not 90% like it is this summer. This will mean more transfer activity will naturally be done this summer.
We don’t need to get £100m in sales, the two most beneficial players for the club to sell this summer are Dean Henderson and Scott Mctominay because they did not cost the club anything and are currently contracted to June 2025 which means if we sell them for £20m each that represents pure profit for the club under FFP rules so the club would receive £40m this summer and amortise that figure over 2 years the length of their contracts given the club £20m per year in net transfer adjustments. This is unlike Harry Maguire who signed a 6 year contract in 2019 and now has 2 years left so if we sell Maguire for £30m we would have a small net profit since we could amortise sales of £15m per year against the original purchase price of £80m over 6 years which is £13,330,000 so a small adjustment of 1.67m. For example If Osimhen is bought for £120m and quickly on a 6 year contract before the new max 5 year contracts come in the cost would be £20m per year and cancelled out by selling Mctominay and Dean Henderson for £20m each.We shall see
We will definitely be active. That's not in any doubt.
I think some fans dreaming of £300m are going to be disappointed though.
I'm expecting Kane / Osimhen to be our major signing and then maybe 2-3 free transfers / cheaper ones.
Our financial situation is dire. Even with new owners thats not going to change overnight as all expenditure has to be accounted for.
That’s the point it is dire because of the Glaziers, however just like Chelsea whose players thought they might not get paid at sone points during last season, it did change overnight and if specific owners buy the club, the debt goes immediately, our business Covent goes up and we can actually spend £300-350m this summer by selling and buying the right players on 5-6 year contracts.
Maybe not Henderson due to wages(reckon £25m isn't impossible though) but we easily get it for McTominay. West Ham have him amongst the top options to replace Rice whom they'll get big money for plus Newcastle with Oil Money are confirmed admirers. Low wages, homegrown player, Scottish international plus 2/3 PL clubs in a bidding war for him gets us a fee similar to Daniel James' if not more and James was worse for us than McTominayAnother fifa/fm player! We will NOT get 30m for Henderson or McT.
We. Shall. See.We don’t need to get £100m in sales, the two most beneficial players for the club to sell this summer are Dean Henderson and Scott Mctominay because they did not cost the club anything and are currently contracted to June 2025 which means if we sell them for £20m each that represents pure profit for the club under FFP rules so the club would receive £40m this summer and amortise that figure over 2 years the length of their contracts given the club £20m per year in net transfer adjustments. This is unlike Harry Maguire who signed a 6 year contract in 2019 and now has 2 years left so if we sell Maguire for £30m we would have a small net profit since we could amortise sales of £15m per year against the original purchase price of £80m over 6 years which is £13,330,000 so a small adjustment of 1.67m. For example If Osimhen is bought for £120m and quickly on a 6 year contract before the new max 5 year contracts come in the cost would be £20m per year and cancelled out by selling Mctominay and Dean Henderson for £20m each.
It’s actually hysterical looking at football fans saying we can sell these players for £100m and add that to the budget of £150m would gives the club £250m and so and so costs £75m so we’ve got £175m left it doesn’t work like that and never did this is why Tod Boehly was able to spend nearly £600m In two transfer windows he amortised the contracts over 7 years so he really spent £85m Gross without sales against a revenue of £450m and a wage bill of probably £290m, in other words the club is still probably under the 90% transfer, wages and agents fee to sales revenue, just no club thought to give 7 year contracts until then.
We will definitely be active. That's not in any doubt.
I think some fans dreaming of £300m are going to be disappointed though.
I'm expecting Kane / Osimhen to be our major signing and then maybe 2-3 free transfers / cheaper ones.
Our financial situation is dire. Even with new owners thats not going to change overnight as all expenditure has to be accounted for.
Ok Just for one second allow yourself to dream and be happy and travel forward in time just 2 months;
It’s the 9th Of May 2023 and the club has entered into a binding agreement to sell all the Glaziers class A voting shares where a new wealthy owner (no names ) decides to do the following;
1. Sack the CEO but tell the DOF he has this summer to prove himself however at the same time giving the Manager a direct line to his office and asks the manager what players he would like this summer
2. He appoints new CEO who spends no time in assembling a team that are tasked with getting new sponsors which have been kindly left vacant by the old owners
3. He appoints a new CFO for the first time and then pays off the clubs debt rumoured to be anything from £500-650m and injects a working capital of £150m
4. The Manager then sends a list of players he would like to the DOF and also to the new owner( Yes this is how a genuine hands on owner works) the list includes an A and B option as requested by the new owner, we are Man united we don’t need C and D lists!
5. The list includes 12 players for 6 positions ; (CFW) - V Osimhen or H Kane, (GK) D Rayna or D Costa, (CM) A Rabiot or M Sabitzer, (DM) (D Rice or Caciedo), (CB) J Timbour or K M Jae, (AM) M Kudas or J Maddison
6. The owner tells the CEO, CFO and Director of Football to get these deals done as quickly as possible so the manager can have them for pre season not the last week of the window. The CFO quickly works out that the sales revenue will be £540m this year and Salaries were reduced due to Europa League to £325m. He also works out that the 6 signings wanted will cost from £300-360m or £60-72m amortised on 5 year contracts plus agents fees which are made as one off payments snd could be as high as £35-45m on all these players. He then crunches some numbers and realises to make these transfers and stay within FFP for next years 80% threshold we need to sell 5 or 6 players and be prudent with salary offers, especially players that cost the club nothing but offer net amortised transfer sales revenue. The CFO then tells the owner the situation who targets the CEO to get new improved sponsorship deals and DOF now knows what wages he can offer and what transfer fees, some of this has already been worked on in the last 6 months hence the reason he kept his job.
The summary is United become competent and do all the transfers suggested with the A or B option, the wage increases to £350m, (Players like De Gea have a new contract that pays £175k not £375k per week) our net Sales transfer amortised is £50m because we sold Mctominay and D Henderson for £20m each and that gives us £20m to offset against the £72m spent giving us a net position of £52m. So in total we are now spending £350m(wages), £52m(Net transfer amortised), £45m (agents fees and admin fees) Total sales Revenue of £540m now divided by £447m would be 82% which is below the 90% allowed this year but 2% above what’s allowed in the season of 24/25. The club would offset next year simply by growing the revenue back to £600-625m by better sponsorship deals and playing CL football next season.
We will see I suppose. I'm still not expecting a huge summer.
PL will only allow amortization over 5yrs from next season onwards too. Another loophole closing on us and everyone else.
Shifting our deadwood has always been impossible too due to wages. Nobody is daft enough to take them and can you blame them.
You've too much time on your hands my friend. Hahaha
No the last 10 years supporting united, our unbridled religion has made me sad and now I’m actually happy because they are definitely going? Aren’t they ? Please say yes ?
What’s that film where they keep saying “Are we there Yet?”
If take anyone preferably SJR but the Glaziers need to go at any cost they just need to go!Can't wait to see the back of them. Not a fan of being ME owned though either tbh.
Football has lost itself up its own backside though sadly. Well the PL has anyway.
My bad. Confused between Dumfries and Kudus. It's Kudus by the way. No one named Kudas.M Kudas is an attacking midfielder not a right back, he plays false 9, number 8, number 10 and inverted right striker as he’s left footed he’s not a right back!
I know Richarlison has been anonymous this year but he signed for Spurs last summer?I think, the team definitely needs 4 new starting 11 players. Keeper, right back, midfield and striker.
With that in mind I think the best way to achieve a more balanced squad and raise funds is to get sell players.
Out - not including out of contract players - none of those out of contract this year should get a new deal.
Maguire
Dalot
AWB
Williams
Donny
McT
Elanga
Bailly
Martial
Telles
Henderson
Fred
Might get 150m for that lot at 10/15m a piece. They won't be missed. Bring back Hannibal, Diallo and give some young lads their minutes, these players are just a waste of time.
In - Possible Frees as backup / rotation
Keeper - Neto
RB - Aina
CB - Skriniar/ Ndicka
MF - Tielemams / Kroos / Rabiot / Aouar
CF - Thuram / Brereton Diaz
In Transfers - not all but some of them - Bolded should be brought in for the right price.
Gk - Costa
CB - Timber - could also provide cover at RB
RB - Frimpong (maybe Tete/ Aarons as backup)
MF - FdJ, Lavia, Sabitzer
CF - Oshimen/Kane (Richarlison if Everton go down)
I know Richarlison has been anonymous this year but he signed for Spurs last summer?
any scenario where an eye watering amount of money is spent on Kane is not ideal.
He is too old.
I think, the team definitely needs 4 new starting 11 players. Keeper, right back, midfield and striker.
With that in mind I think the best way to achieve a more balanced squad and raise funds is to get sell players.
Out - not including out of contract players - none of those out of contract this year should get a new deal.
Maguire
Dalot
AWB
Williams
Donny
McT
Elanga
Bailly
Martial
Telles
Henderson
Fred
Might get 150m for that lot at 10/15m a piece. They won't be missed. Bring back Hannibal, Diallo and give some young lads their minutes, these players are just a waste of time.
In - Possible Frees as backup / rotation
Keeper - Neto
RB - Aina
CB - Skriniar/ Ndicka
MF - Tielemams / Kroos / Rabiot / Aouar
CF - Thuram / Brereton Diaz
In Transfers - not all but some of them - Bolded should be brought in for the right price.
Gk - Costa
CB - Timber - could also provide cover at RB
RB - Frimpong (maybe Tete/ Aarons as backup)
MF - FdJ, Lavia, Sabitzer
CF - Oshimen/Kane (Richarlison if Everton go down) (Edit: turns I forgot he already left and he's actually become invisible but was last seen playing for Spurs)
David Raya ~ £20m
Kim Min-Jae ~ £50m
Mateo Kovačić ~ £30m
Harry Kane ~ £85m
Marcel Sabitzer ~ £15m
Wout Weghorst ~ £7m
With sales of some players like Martial, VDB, Maguire, Telles, Bailly, McTominay and Henderson, I think it would be possible to add both depth and great quality to the above-listed players. This would be a very solid scenario in the summer.
What's your reason for Kane over Osimhen,also forget De Jong he won't even leave Barca if they were burning to the ground
Cracking window,only thing it lacks is a RB and can we afford to leave Osimhen for Chelsea
ClearFocus on the next game heh