Yep Der Westen is very reliable for Dortmund news (according to a Dortmund fan i know) and i would love to sign Gündogan too
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Sounds great.
Gundogan + Herrera
Gundogan + Herrera
Massive difference between the Gundogan who made Modric his bitch in 12/13 to the Ilkay we see now. Quite frankly I would only be excited about this signing if LVG thinks it is possible to recover his old level of conditioning and reach his true potential.
Understandably he is not as dynamic as he once was. Having suffered with nerve issues in my back I can definitely relate to that feeling of being slightly stiff and playing within yourself. Rio was older and definitely dropped some pace after his back injury but it is one of those where you can definitely get back to perfect condition with abit of time and the right guidance.
Playing the Carrick role probably will suit him more now as he doesn't run around as much but I hope we can help him to reach his true potential. He was my favourite midfielder in 2012/13... his level was incredible, a proper world class midfielder who had the game to compete with anyone.
Definitely worth a punt at the prices being suggested.
Understandably he is not as dynamic as he once was. Having suffered with nerve issues in my back I can definitely relate to that feeling of being slightly stiff and playing within yourself. Rio was older and definitely dropped some pace after his back injury but it is one of those where you can definitely get back to perfect condition with abit of time and the right guidance.
Playing the Carrick role probably will suit him more now as he doesn't run around as much but I hope we can help him to reach his true potential. He was my favourite midfielder in 2012/13... his level was incredible, a proper world class midfielder who had the game to compete with anyone.
Definitely worth a punt at the prices being suggested.
I'd almost forgotten what an amazing passing range he has and how effortlessly he does it with both feet. Not even Carrick has the control and passing range Gundogan has with his weaker foot.
He's also an LVG type player too, great with the ball, intelligent and hard working. Sign him up!
He's also an LVG type player too, great with the ball, intelligent and hard working. Sign him up!
This! Been dreaming of an elegant midfielder signing for many seasons now.
Depay, Gudugon, maybe Hummels... that all comes to pass this might be one of our best summers ever .
.+ Gündogan then i agreeDepay, Gudugon, maybe Hummels... that all comes to pass this might be one of our best summers ever
Not sure where we'd fit him in, with Gudugon coming as well.
I'd have him instead of Carrack moving forward.
I have been doing some reading into his injury. He had spinal surgery so no I can't relate.
This really is a gamble, no guarantee he won't break down again. He feels positive about his body now but admits he has work to do to recover his old form and level of fitness.
Potentially Hargreaves MK II.
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http://www.derwesten.de/sport/fussball/bvb/laute-zukunftsmusik-id10599232.html
No mention of British tabloids. Only using translate but nothing much concrete in there, just sort of throws it in that he's going to us, end of story.
Blind isn't good enough in DCM. Brilliant at left back though.
If he's playing regularly week in week out for Dortmund again, he should be fine. He looks abit cumbersome with the ball I thought after looking at his video in the previous page, but he sure loves doing that pass out wide
Cheers. Bit sceptic since I've seen it escalate a bit today, mainly because of that Independent article. But if you read that it says "according to Metro" which we all know is a bullshit paper. Would appreciate if some local BVB fans could shed some light on this paper's and the journalist's reputation.
Exciting signing if true. Gündoğan was absolutely world class before his injury. His ability to keep the ball under pressure was/is (haven't seen anything of him since his return) a joy to behold.
Blind is 25. He will improve!
Strangely, I can't even see anything from The Metro about us signing Gundogan (but they do have Chelsea signing Falcao
)It makes sense to go for him. If the 15m are true, thats a fair price. If he finds his top form again, that would be the steal of the century. If he doesnt, it was worth a risk and he could still play a good role in our team. Barca and Real arent in for him, he wants to move, i think we have the best chances alongside Arsenal.
I think the original story comes from The Irish IndependentStrangely, I can't even see anything from The Metro about us signing Gundogan (but they do have Chelsea signing Falcao
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...gundogan-from-borussia-dortmund-31155921.html which also claims the Metro as a source,but looking in to it I think it could be using Dublin Metro Herald as a source (But that newspaper shit down late November last year) which was funnily enough owned by The Irish Independent.
So in short the story seems completely made up.
Edit - The story's now in the Metro http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/24/arsen...hester-united-from-borussia-dortmund-5164673/But it's using Der Westen as a source.
Ahhh feck it I give up
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How is he fairing after the injury though?
I think the original story comes from The Irish Independent
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...gundogan-from-borussia-dortmund-31155921.html which also claims the Metro as a source,but looking in to it I think it could be using Metro Herald as a source (But that newspaper shit down late November last year) which was funnily enough owned by The Irish Independent.
So in short the story seems completely made up.
Edit - The story's now in the Metro http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/24/arsen...hester-united-from-borussia-dortmund-5164673/But it's using Der Westen as a source.
Ahhh feck it I give up
The Indepedent story is from 4 days ago
It actually is in the Metro (5 days ago), who quote The Sun as their sourcehttp://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6417617/Gun-shot.html (hidden behind paywall) 5 days ago
If we could see that article, I bet they say their source is The Star.
Who say their source is The Metro
Who say their source is feckin' tea leaves
Circle of shite. But the Der Westen story is fresh and seemingly unrelated.
The Indepedent story is from 4 days ago
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6417617/Gun-shot.html (hidden behind paywall) 5 days ago
If we could see that article, I bet they say their source is The Star.
Who say their source is The Metro
Who say their source is feckin' tea leaves
Circle of shite. But the Der Westen story is fresh and seemingly unrelated.
Christ this stuff enough drive a person insane. (Good Luck @Adnan)Well at least the Der Westen story seems somewhat positive.
The Der Westen article translated, always a laugh.
Dortmund. BVB wants to concentrate on the Frankfurt-section, the cup game against Bayern and Gündogans likely move to Manchester United come in b
Jürgen Klopp is true, at Borussia Dortmund one would be "a bit hammered" when you "put everything on the card Tuesday" would. As part of the farewell tour of the coach the guest next week at the Munich stage a particular value but is now once attached. Even by the Bavarians, the opponent in the Cup semi-finals.
The obvious shares the pain of many supporters of BVB, which would have the man who led them to two titles, one Cup victory and up into the Champions League final, like to continue to see in black and yellow dress. "At least with a bouquet" wanted FCB Klopp remember Karl-Heinz Rummenigge has announced and the explanation for the generous action replenished same: "In all the skirmishes I have always had great respect for the club especially in front of the coach.."
Rummenigge praises Klopp
A "great coach" Rummenigge Klopp has also mentioned. And in these days when the ball rolls down the stretch of the season and has not decided whether the daueranspruchsvollle FC Bayern will actually meet its target, may be assumed that the gesture will help relax for the future, the Klopp relation to Südklub , You never know if you do not want to someday find each other.
In the so-exciting future of the not-always-BVB coach wants his eyes just do not judge. It is this even before the home game in the Bundesliga against Eintracht Frankfurt on Saturday (LIVE 15.30 clock, our Ticker) everywhere.How it will go with him, with Klopp next?No new state of things, except the reconciliation activities, initiated by Rummenigge. How is it going with the club Borussia Dortmund on when Thomas Tuchel takes over the bank roll?No statements of Klopp to do so.However, plenty of speculation. Those with the highest compression: Ilkay Gundogan is to change from next season on the island to Manchester United. The fact that the German national team would leave the BVB in the summer, already hinted in. The term of the 24-year-ends in mid 2016. Since the Borussia has stated that they had only in the case of star striker Robert Lewandowski, who had to fulfill his contract prior to joining Bayern, waived a transfer fee, there will not be other exceptions , probably not willing Gundogan extension must be brought to the purchaser so now.
BVB hospital thins out
For Klopp this is no longer an issue. His topic in Gundogan Causa: The midfielder is suffering from a sore throat. He was pulled because of possible contagion "from the ranks circle". The hope that he can run up against Eintracht Frankfurt, but still alive. And even with the prospect of further convalescent use is available.Sebastian Kehl is "surprisingly fast surprisingly well," said the coach. Lukasz Piszczek also. Even Marco Reus could be an option for the encounter with Eintracht already. If the star, who sat against the usual business rules a signature mark of the highest BVB need, but its not quite round the move still on the weekend, this is "It would be nice if it would long for at least Tuesday."
On Tuesday, the Klopp may not think that because not only one, but still lie two major tasks for the Dortmund: "The guys are on track," he said; "They want this season might be just a little, but still miss a punch." On the way to fulfill the first task must be in the league Only a victory against Frankfurt, which are based on points in the table in tenth place behind the BVB (36). The fingers crossed for all those struggling against relegation, must be concerned by the way. Win Paderborn against Bremen (38), Hanover wins against Hoffenheim (37), wins the Hamburger SV vs Augsburg (42), and perhaps even Mainz Schalke (42), it is in fact much more likely that the BVB can go even stamp.
Jürgen Klopp is true, at Borussia Dortmund one would be "a bit hammered" when you "put everything on the card Tuesday" would. As part of the farewell tour of the coach the guest next week at the Munich stage a particular value but is now once attached. Even by the Bavarians, the opponent in the Cup semi-finals.
The obvious shares the pain of many supporters of BVB, which would have the man who led them to two titles, one Cup victory and up into the Champions League final, like to continue to see in black and yellow dress. "At least with a bouquet" wanted FCB Klopp remember Karl-Heinz Rummenigge has announced and the explanation for the generous action replenished same: "In all the skirmishes I have always had great respect for the club especially in front of the coach.."
Rummenigge praises Klopp
A "great coach" Rummenigge Klopp has also mentioned. And in these days when the ball rolls down the stretch of the season and has not decided whether the daueranspruchsvollle FC Bayern will actually meet its target, may be assumed that the gesture will help relax for the future, the Klopp relation to Südklub , You never know if you do not want to someday find each other.
In the so-exciting future of the not-always-BVB coach wants his eyes just do not judge. It is this even before the home game in the Bundesliga against Eintracht Frankfurt on Saturday (LIVE 15.30 clock, our Ticker) everywhere.How it will go with him, with Klopp next?No new state of things, except the reconciliation activities, initiated by Rummenigge. How is it going with the club Borussia Dortmund on when Thomas Tuchel takes over the bank roll?No statements of Klopp to do so.However, plenty of speculation. Those with the highest compression: Ilkay Gundogan is to change from next season on the island to Manchester United. The fact that the German national team would leave the BVB in the summer, already hinted in. The term of the 24-year-ends in mid 2016. Since the Borussia has stated that they had only in the case of star striker Robert Lewandowski, who had to fulfill his contract prior to joining Bayern, waived a transfer fee, there will not be other exceptions , probably not willing Gundogan extension must be brought to the purchaser so now.
BVB hospital thins out
For Klopp this is no longer an issue. His topic in Gundogan Causa: The midfielder is suffering from a sore throat. He was pulled because of possible contagion "from the ranks circle". The hope that he can run up against Eintracht Frankfurt, but still alive. And even with the prospect of further convalescent use is available.Sebastian Kehl is "surprisingly fast surprisingly well," said the coach. Lukasz Piszczek also. Even Marco Reus could be an option for the encounter with Eintracht already. If the star, who sat against the usual business rules a signature mark of the highest BVB need, but its not quite round the move still on the weekend, this is "It would be nice if it would long for at least Tuesday."
On Tuesday, the Klopp may not think that because not only one, but still lie two major tasks for the Dortmund: "The guys are on track," he said; "They want this season might be just a little, but still miss a punch." On the way to fulfill the first task must be in the league Only a victory against Frankfurt, which are based on points in the table in tenth place behind the BVB (36). The fingers crossed for all those struggling against relegation, must be concerned by the way. Win Paderborn against Bremen (38), Hanover wins against Hoffenheim (37), wins the Hamburger SV vs Augsburg (42), and perhaps even Mainz Schalke (42), it is in fact much more likely that the BVB can go even stamp.
I don't think the small part about Gündogan in that article says a lot. It doesn't sound like they have any relevant sources. All it says is that there's more speculation about a Gündogan transfer than about any other player at the moment and that the fact that he hasn't signed a contract extension means Dortmund are looking for a buyer. They base this on a comment from one of the Dortmund officials a few months ago, that said they won't let someone leave on a free again like they did with Lewandowski.
I don't want to spoil the fun here and my impression is that Gündogan wants to leave. I don't think that article tells us anything though. It's clearly just a long article about Dortmund's overall situation, including stuff about Klopp leaving, the upcoming games, Rummenigge's silly idea to give Klopp a farewell at the game in Munich, a small part about possible transfers and a larger part about their injuries and who could return to the team for the run-in.
Yeah after seeing the translated version of the article, your right it's barely any news at all.
Balu in your opinion would you suggest Gundogan is worth a punt? Looking on the positive side here, he is obviously on the right track, back in the international fold, playing regularly....a good pre-season and time you think he could at least be a good squad option for the figures being quoted?
Difficult to say. At times he looked like he could get back to his best, but it's a long way after such a long injury. Time will tell. It's not like money means a lot to United and at the moment with the exchange rate between Euro and GBP it's even less, so yeah, of course he's worth a punt. I really hope he stays though, it would be a shame if he's still not fully recovered, went to a European top club and failed to become a regular starter. It could set him back further, while another year at a club like Dortmund might allow him to find his best form again.
Based on the comments below the article a majority of Dortmund fans would not be too sad if Gündogan would be sold for appr. 30 Mio EUR. However, I am not sure if they are not just a bit pissed that he wants to leave now as he is getting back to his old form.
Yes but apparently he's been good this year. His defensive work allows Gundogan to do his thing.
After Rooney, not sure I can bear another player whose first instinct is to do the Valencia - pass.
Sounds great.
Gundogan + Herrera
These 2 together would indeed be delicious.
If we get him we will have some options. We could play him as holding MF with Herrera in front of him. In case Herrera is not available he can also cover the 8 with Carrick/Blind as 6.
Also he's played much of his career at fullback. He'll get better at DM with more time there.
I never understood the hype around this guy, I don't rate him that highly. I dunno about these rumors, I expect us to sign a more physical midfielder.
How is he doing after he came back from injury?
How is he doing after he came back from injury?
Have you seen him play before his back injury?
He was one of the best cm's in the world. He is of the Modric, Veratti class.
Go and watch Dortmund vs Real Madrid CL 1st leg 2013
Would absolutely love him and for 15-25m? absolute steal. he will only improve from his injury and its not a huge gamble. he's been very good from the bits and bobs ive seen this year.
he's class and would take him in a heartbeat. One of the best in the world during 2012-2013 season and I actually haven't seen anyone who dominated Real so much and made their midfield looked average on their way to CL final in 2013.
if he can recapture his 2012-2013 form i think him and Modric are the two best CM's in the world with Gundogan edging it for me.
specially for as low fee as been mentioned.
if he can recapture his 2012-2013 form i think him and Modric are the two best CM's in the world with Gundogan edging it for me.
specially for as low fee as been mentioned.
If he can rediscover his pre injury form a midfield of Herrera and Gundogan would be orgasmic.
Just what we need really, a midfield who can pass, dribble, create, score and tackle!
Just what we need really, a midfield who can pass, dribble, create, score and tackle!
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