Its dead guys, just let it go.
İlkay Gündoğan
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It's fishy from the beginning but there is nothing to suggest that it's dead or that it was alive. Bayern were supposed to be in front and then out of the blue no one wants him in Bavaria, he was supposed to be Barcelona main midfield target and now he is there third choice behind Pogba and Verratti.
But he is also supposed to be announced in Catalonia every two days.
All this rubbish about "the window isn't even open yet" and "months till the season starts"
Firstly, Depay is already confirmed so the window being open is irrelevant and secondly...
We go on tour in a few weeks and Van Gaal wants players signed by then. By the end of the window last summer we were already 10 points behind Chelsea and the league title was all but over for us. We don't want a repeat of that.
Firstly, Depay is already confirmed so the window being open is irrelevant and secondly...
We go on tour in a few weeks and Van Gaal wants players signed by then. By the end of the window last summer we were already 10 points behind Chelsea and the league title was all but over for us. We don't want a repeat of that.
I think Schneiderlin should have been signed ASAP... but another creative, deep lying playmaker who can dribble in tight spaces would be fantastic...I get the sense Gundogan is/was one of our primary targets but he sees us as his plan C.
People are laughing at the claim that because it hasn't already happened, any potential deal is already dead, and I feel it's perfectly justified for that pointing out how much longer there is left for a deal to happen. If teams could sign every single player they wanted before the window opened, then they all would do. The fact that barely any business has been done so far kinda shows that it never works like that. Trying to use the "Depay has already signed so the window is irrelevant" is just as rubbish a claim as any about when the window opens/close etc. There are specific circumstances when a player can sign before a window, and there are circumstances where thats just not going to happen.
What the Depay deal has shown though is that we can go from knowing nothing about a deal to it being basically completed within a couple of days, so it is kinda irrelevant which players have or haven't signed (unless another team have confirmed the purchase of course) before the team meet up for preseason in a month, and is just the impatient muppets on here prematurely self-combusting.
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I was joking - its silly season after all.
If we had genuine interest and he wanted to come here I reckon it'd be done already. Either he's not our first choice or we're not his.
To be honest I don't follow the logic, every summers most players go on holiday and sign after the holidays, why would it be different this year? And I would add that a player like Gundogan who seems to be negotiating with several clubs won't take a quick decision and will most likely choose to take his time.
The silly season will begin next week, when the players will begin to comeback from their holidays.
Well according to Sky a month or so ago we'd already signed him, it's been pretty clear the past month he's available. Things have changed now.
Yeah, all good points
That's media talk, a month ago Geis was supposed to be Dortmund bound, now we don't know. A months ago Gundogan had chose Bayern, now he didn't.
It's like someone too scared to ask if someone loves them or not, as they are dreading the answer. So we will then just live in hope until the transfer windows shuts like a slap in the face.
Well it was more than just paper talk, there was genuine quotes. He wasn't signing a contract and he was more than likely to be sold.
But that has nothing to do with United, the fact that he is for sale won't accelerate the process to the point that he signs before late June or early July.
He still has to decide where he wants to go and the clubs still have to agree on a fee, and regarding the fee all the sources said that no one agreed on a fee with Dortmund.
IS there some kind of deadline until which we should have signed him?
So if we didnt signed him by then it must be that we're not after him and it's dead in the water..
So if we didnt signed him by then it must be that we're not after him and it's dead in the water..
If the reason he hasn't signed for anyone is no one is ready to pay his wage demands, then I'm certain we never were in for him.
Some reports in Germany that he could stay another year at Dortmund. Maybe for free next year or he is waiting for Barca in January?
This.
Despite our interest we know so little compared to what we wish or even think we do. Full time journalists are clueless more than they are in the know. But, here we are, muppets queued up to share and argue our speculation.
You can bet everything you own I'll be in the thick of it doing the whole window!
Muppets, esta noche...WE RIDE!!!
Nah, Dortmund CEO Watzke confirmed last month he will be leaving. It was inevitable someone would report it, its pretty much the only variable left for the media to make up.
People say things all the time.
If he is still at Dortmund in October then I fully expect him to be a Barcelona player in January or next summer.
You know how things work out during transfer periods. Whats said yesterday must not have a meaning today. If a bid comes in and Gündogan wants to go, than they will sell him. But if Gündogan wants too much money and clubs arent interested, than he will stay and sign for free next year. You are right, Dortmund want to sell, but that doesnt mean that Gündogan is desperate to leave now and lower his demands, he can wait and pick the club next year with money throwed at him.
Our goal is to make all of our signings by July 17th. van Gaal said so himself and failure to do so will once again be a big blow to our plans for next season.
Yes a myriad of things are said during pre and post season but let's not mix this up with murmurs and crypted statements, this is the CEO categorically saying he will be leaving in the summer. I highly doubt Gundogan will be staying at Dortmund for another season, he won't wait around on the off chance Barca stil want to sign him in a years time. If he is there come September then a pre contract agreement has already been signed with Barca.
I think the one who has the pre contract (or verbal agreement) with Barca is Pogba. Gundogan was fair game, but by all reports he is asking for to much €€€.
Michael Zorc, Dortmund's director of football, opened up the possibility of him staying through his comments in an interview in kicker magazine yesterday. He basically said that they're open-minded in regards to a Gündogan transfer. All the certainty was gone.
If Gündogan decides to join Barca on a free next year, Dortmund have to keep him in their squad and they'd be stupid to ignore him all season while paying his wages just to prove a point. They're again in a shitty situation.
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Somehow I doubt Gundogan or Barca would be too happy if Dortmund play hardball and refuse to let him play. Someone who's been injured for quite a while and then sit about for a year?
They can probably force him into a 1yr extension and a fixed fee release clause
I still find it hard to believe Barca are interested in Gundogan. It just strikes me as an odd match.
More like the sort of thing an agent would throw out there to drum up more interest... Omg if Barca are interested he must be good!!
More like the sort of thing an agent would throw out there to drum up more interest... Omg if Barca are interested he must be good!!
Whats strange about it? They like to keep recruiting fresh midfielders to keep it a strong competition. The players who end up not playing much want to move on, then they need to replace them
Dunno if the situation has actually changed:
There were always only two likely outcomes in that matter:
1. Gündogan transfers this Summer for a decent fee (still the most likeliest scenario)
2. Gündogan stays but signs a contract extension (probably for another year)
I honestly don´t see him leaving for free in 2016. Not because of what Watzke or Zorc said, but because they created pressure on him in the most effective way: by signing Gonzalo Castro, a player for his role, who performed better and way more consistently than him last season.
I see the scenario of Dortmund completely freezing out Gündogan, throwing him out of the squad or putting him in the 2nd team as unrealistic. However, what I doubt is, that Gündogan will keep his status as a starter. This is of course unless Gündogan improves his game so much and by that I mean not reaching Castro´s current level but being quite a bit better (close to his former form), that he "forces" his starting place similar to how Lewandowski did in his last year. And in that case while Dortmund would not see any fee when Gündogan transfers they would improve their chances of reaching the CL again and making a deep run in the EL. I don´t see Gündogan taking the risk of becoming nothing more than a back up option, though. Not if it would harm his chances for the EURO 2016 or his arguments where he transfers to eventually.
Why don't we get Kagawa if they wont sell Gundogan or he wants to go elsewhere and actually play him this time? You know, in his real position as well...
Are you serious?
Entirely.
Kagawa? Seriously?
Come on.
Come on.
I thought Mad Winger had made a triumphant return to the Caf.
Mata, Rooney, Firmino, Fellaini, Kagawa all competing for the 10 spot. What could go wrong?
The last thing we need is a number 10, and especially one we've just gotten rid of for having too many number 10s.
Or we could buy Kagawa and he could be, you know, a massive bollockless disappointment again. In every conceivable position. What to do, what to do...
I think with all the rumours flying around, we're clearly not his first choice.
Could be, we'll see how the situation evolves, if he'll rant about Kagawa in every thread it will mean that's him under a different nick.
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