I agree, we shouldn't buy anyone who has ever had an injury. Hurt you're back? You're out. Pulled a hamstring? You're out? Had a cold? You're out. Premature ejactulator? You're out.
Dortmund will replace him with Johannes Geis and get the better player for cheaper. I do wonder what are scouts are doing half the time.
@Sphaero How has he been this season?
And shouldn't Shearer, RVN, Pires, Arteta, Baggio, Del Piero et al not teach us that writing off players who have had serious injuries is a bit naive? Even just watching that limited video posted earlier shows he hasn't lost that dreaded yard of pace, he most definitely hasn't lost his vision, he hasn't lost his hunger, aggression either. For £15mil it's a no brainer.Because a broken back or broken knees are obviously the same thing as the other 'injuries'. Even ignoring the fact he wouldn't be anything more than a bench warmer right now.
Wait for one more year to see if he's anywhere near good enough. The signing of Falcao should have taught us that much at least.
For 15m the rewards far outweigh the risks imo.What's the point? He wouldn't be more than a backup to Herrera and he isn't defensively good enough to replace Carrick if that's what we are planning.
It was suspicious that he just signed a 2 year contract last year. I dont think he will sign an extension, he wants a move. So could be that BVB are tempted to sell him now. Next year he will go for free.
Surgery. "a minimal invasive procedure at the lumbar spine without complications".Did he recover from his back condition which almost destroyed his career last year?
Yes he has.Did he recover from his back condition which almost destroyed his career last year?
Dortmund don't sell 2 big names in one window. Simple as that imo.
Based on his potential and top form he is clearly underperforming this season, which is understandable after his very long injury. He has yet to rediscover his complete edge in terms of tackling and a lot of his pressing resistance. His passing (especially his range) and close control are still there, though. He had his best games alongside Sahin, who relieved him of some of his former tasks and covered him defensively.
The BILD story is not more reliable as the one in the DailyMail, because it cites the latter as source.
However, sources close to Dortmund state that he will be sold this Summer if he does not renew his contract soon. The officials have appearantly made a final offer, which would make him the second best payed player after Reus. If that is not enough for Gündogan, I see United as one of the most likeliest destinations. If he manages to recapture his form prior to the back injury, he would be an upgrade for Herrera and a steal. If he stays at his current level, he would be at least a solid back up option for the Spaniard for a sum, which does not really hurt them.
Because a broken back or broken knees are obviously the same thing as the other 'injuries'. Even ignoring the fact he wouldn't be anything more than a bench warmer right now.
Wait for one more year to see if he's anywhere near good enough. The signing of Falcao should have taught us that much at least.
Since he's been back, he's missed just 1 game due to injury and been on the bench twice when fit. He has started every other game. There's still more time on our hands to see how he fares till the end of season.
If he stays fit, I dont see any reason to not take him for 15mil. Even if he doesnt get back to his best, we won't get a better squad player for that much money.
I agree. You still have him on SM, right?
If he manages to recapture his form prior to the back injury, he would be an upgrade for Herrera and a steal. If he stays at his current level, he would be at least a solid back up option for the Spaniard for a sum, which does not really hurt them.
Yep. What a transfer war that was. 39.6 mil vs 39 mil. IS it still the transfer record for the league or has someone gone for more?
Still the record for pure cash, though I can blow it out of the water if anyone would accept cash these days.
Gundogan (Leicester > Arsenal) - £39.6M
Ronaldo (United > Spurs) - £36M
Sneijder (United > Chelsea) - £35M
Dzeko (Brighton > Liverpool) - £33.6M
Puyol (Fulham > Barcelona) - £33.4M
Falcao (Stoke > Newcastle) - £33M
Top six transfers, not a great record for those players post-transfer really, Ronaldo aside.
£50million for both Gundogan and Hummels would be the best piece of transfer business Woodward has ever done imo(Which isn't saying a lot btw) Both have performed and shown they are capable of performing at a world class level, and both players would instantly inject quality into the starting 11. If Dortmund miss out on the CL, then maybe we can get these deals done?
For £15m it would be worth the punt. He could take Fellaini's place or could even play in Carrick's position.
I've only seen Gundogan play maybe twice, so for those who've seen much more of him, which player is he similar to regrading attributes, ability etc?
Cheers.He (was?) similar to Ander but maybe a bit better at controlling matches with his passing and takes players on with dribbling more often
Ander has thus far scored as many goals this season (5) as Gundogan has managed in any of his and Ander has started just over a third of our matches. So the goalthreat must go to Ander.
They both do their fair share of ball winning. I dont think either are quite as creative as the most creative AMs like Fabregas or Silva.
I think I've seen him play a full match once this season so no idea if he's as good at these things now.
Strange comparison. Mata is an AM, Gundogan is a CM. Compare him to Herrera or Carrick if you want to.Gundogan is miles better than Mata in midfield, he's a proper CM with combative qualities and a proper defensive game.
He (was?) similar to Ander but maybe a bit better at controlling matches with his passing and takes players on with dribbling more often
Ander has thus far scored as many goals this season (5) as Gundogan has managed in any of his and Ander has started just over a third of our matches. So the goalthreat must go to Ander.
They both do their fair share of ball winning. I dont think either are quite as creative as the most creative AMs like Fabregas or Silva.
I think I've seen him play a full match once this season so no idea if he's as good at these things now.
Also, is it fair to say he is a midfielder who can thrive in the possession game you'll be playing?Gundogan is miles better than Mata in midfield, he's a proper CM with combative qualities and a proper defensive game.
Strange comparison. Mata is an AM, Gundogan is a CM. Compare him to Herrera or Carrick if you want to.
Also, is it fair to say he is a midfielder who can thrive in the possession game you'll be playing?
Also, is it fair to say he is a midfielder who can thrive in the possession game you'll be playing?
