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Kevin said:
Thanks. Maze, yeah that is what I have gathered from page 75 in that Gundogan thread. And a bit of bitterness and lots of ''wouldn't surprise me if he fails'' or ''unlike Kagawa and Sahin, we would not take him back as he doesn't have that status with the fans''... not strange considering the circumstances.
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lots of people have been complaining about his lack of ambition on the pitch, like not consistently tracking back after losing the ball, or too much precaution in tackles etc, plus a perceived overall laziness/indifference of sorts. but that might as well be some sort of confirmation bias, as his nearing departure was/is a sure thing. so yes, not too many tears being prematurely shed right now.
 
----------------Gundogan----------------
-------Herrera-----------Fellaini--------
Mata-----------Rooney----------Depay

Carrick, Blind, Di Maria and Januzaj as reserves

Very good midfield
 
maze said:
lots of people have been complaining about his lack of ambition on the pitch, like not tracking back after losing the ball etc, plus a perceived overall laziness/indifference of sorts. but that might as well be some sort of confirmation bias, as his nearing departure was/is a sure thing. so yes, not too many tears being prematurely shed right now.
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I think he is done in Germany, he wants a new challenge. Not a good excuse for being lazy, but there you have it...
 
I haven't watched him this season so maybe some BVB fan can give an update on this season. Question for me is if he can take over Carricks role or not
 
maze said:
lots of people have been complaining about his lack of ambition on the pitch, like not consistently tracking back after losing the ball, or too much precaution in tackles etc, plus a perceived overall laziness/indifference of sorts. but that might as well be some sort of confirmation bias, as his nearing departure was/is a sure thing. so yes, not too many tears being prematurely shed right now.
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That's not very encouraging at all. As if the injury wasn't bad enough.
 
akash02 said:
That's not very encouraging at all. As if the injury wasn't bad enough.
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nah, i'd say it's as well a mind thing as it is an ongoing struggle to return to full form and fitness, and i can indeed see him become the great CM he once was. he's 24! and again: he's been showing signs of improvement lately, IMO.
 
He's one of my favourite players, would love him here!
I know he's had a bad injury but I reckon he's worth the risk. He's still young enough to get over the injury so a good pre-season and we might see him close to his best again.
 
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Problem with that is, the entire team has played like poop this year. So how fair is it to say that He isn't in form and back to where he was before if everyone around him has been hit or miss all season. And really since his return as a team they've collectively played far better than the beginning of the season and thats including the multiple injuries we've had to deal with. Missing Sahin, Bender, Kehl, Kirch...no consistency for him to play with. I like him and think he truly is special but this is a great move by BVB as werent they only offered 20 million for Lewandowski with a year left...and he's clearly top 5 true number 9's in the world.
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I'm bothered. Everyone played good in the games we won, but he played amazingly in them, and then the games where we played like shit he was still at least average. He's still amazing and if he is gone to United we're going to see how good he is next year and regret not being able to get him to sign a contract. I really don't see why he can't stick with his when we stood with him during his injury time.
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pocco said:
I was quite excited about this deal but having read a few things on here it seems like he's gone through a Falcao-like transformation since his injury.
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Not even close.
 
Never heard of a player being a doubt for a game because of a sore throat before
 
was my favourite midfielder in the world 2 years back was truly brilliant. Seemed such a all round great player, I've not seen him play since the CL final in 2013 to be honest but if he's even 70% of what he was he'd be worth the gamble and could have a great effect on the squad and i'd expect with a good pre seasons behind him he can get back to his best.

A mid of

-------Carrick
Gundogan-----Herrara

Looks brilliant and could easily match anyone in the world for me
 
Red_toad said:
The same Barca who bought an injury prone defender who I believe is still yet to play for them?
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You can always find exceptions. The majority of their squad consists of players who are injured very rarely. The same goes for Bayern and Real.
 
Tarrou said:
Never heard of a player being a doubt for a game because of a sore throat before
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1 - That sounds like a really shitty excuse
2 - Theres still a month or so of the season left isnt there? Why rush to come Manchester now?
 
Jammydodger7 said:
He's had one bad injury! Just like Van Nistelrooy did and look how good a sining he turned out for us!

Also Bayern have been having injury problems all year so that statement makes no sense
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Yes it does. Fine, Bayern have had a lot of injuries this season and I believe it's coincidence. Look at their past 5 seasons how few injuries they've had. My point is that to reach the top, a club can't have many injury prone players in important roles in the squad.
 
LonelyFire said:
No. He wasnt expected to play today.
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Oh come on, the tweet is practically taking the piss out of him with the sore throat nonsense.
Whether he comes here or not i don't know but he's obviously out of the squad for something other than a sore throat.
 
fecks sake has he got injured during negotiations?! The United curse has reached new heights...
 
pocco said:
You watch Dortmund regularly and are more clued up than Dortmund supporters on Dortmund matters?
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Everything I've seen from Dortmund suggests he still needs to lose a bit of weight, which he would with a proper pre-season, and that his form has been patchy with some excellent performances in a team that's been well below par. I get the worry about recruiting players after long injuries like Falcao but Falcao's decline seems a lot more stark and terminal than Gundogan's.
 
Would love to see us line up like this next season:

--------------------DDG------------------
Valencia---Smalling---Hummels---Shaw
-----------------Gundogan---------------
----------Herrera----------Fellaini------
Mata-------------Rooney------Di Maria

Subs:
Valdes
Jones
Rojo
Carrick
Blind
Young
Depay
RVP
 
pocco said:
You watch Dortmund regularly and are more clued up than Dortmund supporters on Dortmund matters?
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I do, and I think that Gundogan rating is clouded by the memories of his past stellar level, nowadays he is a good football player who worth 20m but not much more, the good thing is that the reason why he hasn't been as good as he was, are due to a clear loss of fitness and the fact that his teammates aren't pulling trees, technically he is still very good, though.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Not true for Bayern, as @Balu has been mentioning for a while now.
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I don't watch Bayern too much so if I'm mistaken, my bad. But whenever I've watched them over the past years, especially in the Champions League, most of their best players play. I'm certain they've had many fewer injuries than us over the past 5 years.
 
Pentame said:
I don't watch Bayern too much so if I'm mistaken, my bad. But whenever I've watched them over the past years, especially in the Champions League, most of their best players play. I'm certain they've had many fewer injuries than us over the past 5 years.
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duuuude, that's so not the topic in here. i'm sure there must be a more fitting thread for you to spout your hilarious views on bayern's injury-free squad. please.
 
Pentame said:
I don't watch Bayern too much so if I'm mistaken, my bad. But whenever I've watched them over the past years, especially in the Champions League, most of their best players play. I'm certain they've had many fewer injuries than us over the past 5 years.
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Pretty sure our injury record over the past 2 years is worse than anything United ever suffered. It's beyond ridiculous what's happening at Bayern since 2013.
 
adamwest said:


My word he ran the show that day.
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It's a crying shame Dortmund didn't win the CL that year. Would have been one of those romantic moments in football. Wonderful team they were that season. I miss them.

But yeah, Gundogan was brilliant that game (as well as Hummels I believe). Would have been some goal had he scored that chance at 3:30 :drool:
 
I watched him at the etihad against city a few years back (yes I was at a city game, free ticket) and he was probably the best player on the pitch. His passing and movements were superb.

Not seen him for a while though.
 
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