Ángel Di María | Transferred to PSG

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Dans said:
His first 5 games were against Burnley, QPR, Leicester, West Ham and Everton. He scored 3 of his total of 4 goals that season for us in those first 5 games against pretty weak opposition. He then, quite frankly, faded to pretty much nothing for the rest of the season.
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Pretty much sums it up.
 
I think that we will regret it if we don't give him at least one season on the left wing playing every week. With a settled, quality midfield in front of him, he 'could' go on to be the player that we all want him to be. On his day, he's still one of the very best in the world. Having said that, I d o have a bad feeling about this PSG link.
 
Dans said:
His first 5 games were against Burnley, QPR, Leicester, West Ham and Everton. He scored 3 of his total of 4 goals that season for us in those first 5 games against pretty weak opposition. He then, quite frankly, faded to pretty much nothing for the rest of the season.
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Obviously assist don't mean anything anymore.
 
As I remember it, his first choice was PSG but FFP scuppered the move. He had to go somewhere as Madrid weren't offering him the contract he wanted (sound familar?), and Ed "I pay top whack" Woodward jumped in to save him.
 
wiz4231 said:
Obviously assist don't mean anything anymore.
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That's a fair point, so I looked them up:

3 assists in those 5 games, 2 in the next 13, 5 in the next 8, 0 in the final 5.

Make of that what you will - the fact is though that LVG didn't rate him (or perhaps better put, his form) well enough to start him very much as he completed 90 mins once in the last 12 games.
 
Dans said:
That's a fair point, so I looked them up:

3 assists in those 5 games, 2 in the next 13, 5 in the next 8, 0 in the final 5.

Make of that what you will - the fact is though that LVG didn't rate him (or perhaps better put, his form) well enough to start him very much as he completed 90 mins once in the last 12 games.
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And that's the worst form of his career. Just looked very good at the Copa Americas.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
And that's the worst form of his career. Just looked very good at the Copa Americas.
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Against mostly average sides frankly. But ok, I am not saying he couldn't turn it around or shouldn't be given another season. I feel he's not suited to LVGs game (which makes me think he was more a Woodward signing than an LVG one) and that he might not have settled well in England and therefore a move to the club he was mooted to prefer a move to last summer might be best for all concerned.
 
Dans said:
Against mostly average sides frankly. But ok, I am not saying he couldn't turn it around or shouldn't be given another season. I feel he's not suited to LVGs game (which makes me think he was more a Woodward signing than an LVG one) and that he might not have settled well in England and therefore a move to the club he was mooted to prefer a move to last summer might be best for all concerned.
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I doubt LVG accepted this signing just because Woodward would ask him to. A player failing doesn't mean he wasn't initially wanted by his coach.
 
kouroux said:
I doubt LVG accepted this signing just because Woodward would ask him to. A player failing doesn't mean he wasn't initially wanted by his coach.
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Why not? He joins a club with masses of cash, but joins late in the summer - the fans are itching for a big signing, DM becomes available, Woodward thinks, this'll get the red cafe muppets drooling and my popularity will skyrocket after an abysmal summer last year, LVG thinks, well, DMs just had a great season, why not take the risk, it's not my money after all.
 
Dans said:
Why not? He joins a club with masses of cash, but joins late in the summer - the fans are itching for a big signing, DM becomes available, Woodward thinks, this'll get the red cafe muppets drooling and my popularity skyrocket after an abysmal summer last year, LVG thinks, well, DMs just had a great season, why not take the risk, it's not my money after all.
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Because I think LVG is a more serious manager than that, same thing goes for Woodward. They target and buy players they genuinely want and feel like they could use, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
 
Dans said:
That's a fair point, so I looked them up:

3 assists in those 5 games, 2 in the next 13, 5 in the next 8, 0 in the final 5.

Make of that what you will - the fact is though that LVG didn't rate him (or perhaps better put, his form) well enough to start him very much as he completed 90 mins once in the last 12 games.
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Couple things...
  • Why are you splitting the games like that? Its a bit random isnt it.
  • They only look bad in isolation and on a per game basis which doesn't do him justice. They probably look better per minute, and even better when looking against other attackers in our team.
 
Dans said:
Against mostly average sides frankly. But ok, I am not saying he couldn't turn it around or shouldn't be given another season. I feel he's not suited to LVGs game (which makes me think he was more a Woodward signing than an LVG one) and that he might not have settled well in England and therefore a move to the club he was mooted to prefer a move to last summer might be best for all concerned.
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That is true. He's a bit of a maverick who would have loved playing in the SAF Era whereas LVG values restraint and control. Which is made all the more bemusing by the fact that LVG singled him out as the kind of top class wide player we need before he came here. And I'm not sure hes' the type to just toe the line of Woodward. I expect him to be the one to be calling the shots, largely.
 
kouroux said:
Because I think LVG is a more serious manager than that, same thing goes for Woodward. They target and buy players they genuinely want and feel like they could use, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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Yeah despite Woodwards over inflated badass image here, I expect LVG to be the guy making these calls.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Couple things...
  • Why are you splitting the games like that? Its a bit random isnt it.
  • They only look bad in isolation and on a per game basis which doesn't do him justice. They probably look better per minute, and even better when looking against other attackers in our team.
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Should I split them to make it look better?

I could average things out so he didn't look like he had such a great start I suppose.

I could have used 7 in the 21 games in the middle period or simply 7 in the 26 after his great start in the first 5.

Works both ways I guess.

But people were talking about how he started well - so I picked up on that.
 
Dans said:
Against mostly average sides frankly. But ok, I am not saying he couldn't turn it around or shouldn't be given another season. I feel he's not suited to LVGs game (which makes me think he was more a Woodward signing than an LVG one) and that he might not have settled well in England and therefore a move to the club he was mooted to prefer a move to last summer might be best for all concerned.
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How AdM wasn't Louis' signing? LvG had publicly named di Maria in an interview month before we signed him.
LvG is an experienced manager but he's just a man and can be wrong sometimes. He also wanted to offload Fellaini because afroman wasn't his type of player, how did that turn out?
 
It would be so frustrating to lose him after our recent transfer coups.

We're on the verge of building a special side, and this would push us a step back.
 
fallengt said:
How AdM wasn't Louis' signing? LvG had publicly named di Maria in an interview month before we signed him.
LvG is an experienced manager but he's just a man and can be wrong sometimes. He also wanted to offload Fellaini because afroman wasn't his type of player, how did that turn out?
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Fair enough - he did mention him, you are right. But I felt it was somewhat rushed business after Van Gaal joined us so late in the summer after the World Cup and therefore perhaps a bit more of a risk than for example this summers signings are.
 
Dans said:
Should I split them to make it look better?

I could average things out so he didn't look like he had such a great start I suppose.

I could have used 7 in the 21 games in the middle period or simply 7 in the 26 after his great start in the first 5.

Works both ways I guess.

But people were talking about how he started well - so I picked up on that.
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Ah no need. Was just wondering why the game split was so sporadic.

Anyway I hope he stays.
 
I'm surprised there's not more openness to a sale. I'm not saying I want us to sell him but I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it for the following reasons:

- While he did start out well, the trajectory has been going the wrong way. I would be more optimistic if he had struggled at the start and found his form during the season. On the contrary, he only got progressively worse as the season went on.

- We did overpay for him, and to recoup most or all of the fee with him being one year older on the back of a terrible season would be good business.

- If he has another season like this one, we'd be lucky to sell him for 30 million.

- You just cannot have a 60 million player in your squad who doesn't start, and it's feasible that ADM would be our fourth-choice winger this season behind Depay, Young and Mata.

- There's widespread believe, which I don't necessarily agree with, that his best position is in the centre of the midfield, and that's completely out of the question with the signings we've made.

- A versatile forward who can cover both the striker and the winger positions would, in my opinion, complete our squad. Signing an out-and-out striker for a lot of money would present a selection dilemma with Rooney being captain but if said striker could also play on the wings, that would make us more flexible. I've mentioned Griezmann a few times and think he would be perfect. For me it would improve our squad to replace ADM with him, and it would even save us money.
 
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Jev said:
I'm surprised there's not more openness to a sale. I'm not saying I want us to sell him but I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it for the following reasons:

- While he did start out well, the trajectory has been going the wrong way. I would be more optimistic if he had struggled at the start and found his form during the season. On the contrary, he only got progressively worse as the season went on.

- We did overpay for him, and to recoup most or all of the fee with him being one year older on the back of a terrible season would be good business.

- If he has another season like this one, we'd be lucky to sell him for 30 million.

- You just cannot have a 60 million player in your squad who doesn't start, and it's feasible that ADM would be our fourth-choice winger this season behind Depay, Young and Mata.

- There's widespread believe, which I don't necessarily agree with, that his best position is in the centre of the midfield, and that's completely out of the question with the signings we've made.

- A versatile forward who can cover both the striker and the winger positions would, in my opinion, complete our squad. Signing an out-and-out striker for a lot of money would present a selection dilemma with Rooney being captain but if said striker could also play on the wings, that would make us more flexible. I've mentioned Griezman a few times and think he would be perfect. For me it would improve our squad to replace ADM with him, and it would even save us money.
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Fully agree with this post. That's why I think signing Muller or Cavani would complete our squad and signing a winger as a replacement would be unnecessary. Both Cavani and Muller are perfectly capable of playing wide in a 4-3-3 formation and would cover for Rooney as well. 2 birds with one stone.
 
I don't want him to go really it would seem like a step in the wrong direction. Perhaps if he is unhappy though it's the best solution. If he does go just spend the Euros on Reus.
 
While i can see him staying as i dont think we would break the British transfer record and flog him a year later after one inconsistent season. I am slightly becoming concerned as the rumours are coming thick and fast, smoke and fire and all that. But i truly think it will be a huge mistake to sell the lad.

Funnily enough the season he did so poor according to a majority of the caftards, was a season we were most hit by injuries and suffered an unbalanced selection overall. After our latest acquisitions this would be a terrible thing to do in my eyes, i thought we were strengthening? Very poor from Van Gaal and Woodward if there is any truth to this and it will only serve to dampen this window for me in the end.
 
He won't be going to PSG.

Mostly because it would be a stupid move for him at this stage of his career. As well as the fact the club would not sell a world class talent at any kind of a loss a year on from buying him.

The rumours are coming from the French press and it was also the French press that quoted him as saying he was disappointed he didn't end up in France. We've heard nothing from Argentina depite him being part of the Copa America team. Make of that what you will but it sounds to me that the French press are trying to push PSG as some sort of powerhouse of world football.

I think PSG at best, hope they could sign him at a cut price deal of the back of his inconsistent season.
 
MannyB said:
He won't be going to PSG.

Mostly because it would be a stupid move for him at this stage of his career. As well as the fact the club would not sell a world class talent at any kind of a loss a year on from buying him.

The rumours are coming from the French press and it was also the French press that quoted him as saying he was disappointed he didn't end up in France. We've heard nothing from Argentina depite him being part of the Copa America team. Make of that what you will but it sounds to me that the French press are trying to push PSG as some sort of powerhouse of world football.

I think PSG at best, hope they could sign him at a cut price deal of the back of his inconsistent season.
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Why does the move make no sense for him? He would be going to team who are probably about as good as we are and are based on Paris. It was clearly his preferred move. IF he wants to leave and PSG are offering 50m for him I'd take it and run. We sold Veron for half the money we bought him for 2 years later so it's not unheard of.
 
We probably should sell if we get a solid offer and if he wants to leave. There's no indication that this year will be better than the last, and another year where he isn't playing much would mean we'd have to sell him on the cheap. Not very concerned since we're no longer afraid of spending cash to bring in top players anymore, so I'm sure he will be replaced by someone as talented.

I think there's a good possibility that we'll sell him in the end.

Edit: Think it'll be a shame since he was our most exciting player last year, but he got injured often and did some really dumb things. Hope it works out best for the club.
 
If he is not happy, or his family aren't happy and wants to move country more than move club, then we should let him go without doubt. Sometimes transfers, no matter how big, just don't work out.
 
hbgreg said:
We probably should sell if we get a solid offer and if he wants to leave. There's no indication that this year will be better than the last, and another year where he isn't playing much would mean we'd have to sell him on the cheap. Not very concerned since we're no longer afraid of spending cash to bring in top players anymore, so I'm sure he will be replaced by someone as talented.

I think there's a good possibility that we'll sell him in the end.

Edit: Think it'll be a shame since he was our most exciting player last year, but he got injured often and did some really dumb things. Hope it works out best for the club.
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Is there a guarantee that any given player will perform better or worse than last season?
 
“No, because I’m not thinking like that. In Madrid there were times when I was whistled around the stadium but faced it and then it turned around. I like to deal with things.” June 2015

‘So, no, I don’t worry about the Champions League. I knew when I came to Manchester that I wouldn’t be playing in the Champions League but what I was thinking — what I think now —was that I would do my bit to help my team-mates qualify for the Champions League so that the next year we would be back playing important games. I think that will happen.’ Nov 2014

‘The truth is that I’m pleased to be here in Manchester. Being here is something really important for me, so from that side of things I’m really pleased. The rest will come.’ Nov 2014

"I started off quite well but I think that then made expectations rise and everyone thought I would just carry on in the same way. But football is like that, sometimes you have these ups and downs. It took me a while to settle fully in each of the countries where I’ve played before. I just have to keep working hard and focusing on what I want, which is to do as well as I possibly can." Feb 2015

"Leaving a club like Real and coming to as big a club as Manchester United makes you grow as a player and helps you progress in your career," he declared. "It was a very important moment and I'm really happy here." Oct 2014

Just some quotes from him.
 
hbgreg said:
I said there wasn't any indication, not that I can guarantee he won't perform better.
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Well, there we go. Lets make decisions based on the "indications" of one season, whilst not factoring in any issues, and not take into account his career showings.
 
It seems clear to me that di Maria's best qualities are stiffled by LVGs system.

LVG ain't gonna change this side of the grave.

In this case I'd give di Maria what he wants, were it my decision. If he has the will to change his game and that's the footballing challenge he wants more than anything, great.
 
akash02 said:
Why does the move make no sense for him? He would be going to team who are probably about as good as we are and are based on Paris.
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Ligue 1 vs Premier League

PSG vs Manchester United

He's 27 and in the prime of his career. Why waste it in Ligue 1? He's playing for the biggest club in England with a good chance of being successful in the next couple of years. I don't see Di Maria being diva enough to want to live in Paris and his wife by all accounts is said to be happy in Manchester and for Di Maria to playing for United.

akash02 said:
It was clearly his preferred move. IF he wants to leave and PSG are offering 50m for him I'd take it and run.
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The preferred move business came from the French media (L'equip?). The transfer rumours have also come from the French media and only started after Blanc came out and said he likes him. Two days later, PSG have come up with the money and agreed a five year deal with Angel.

akash02 said:
We sold Veron for half the money we bought him for 2 years later so it's not unheard of.
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We had Keane, Scholes and Butt still here and Fergie couldn't work out what to do with Veron. If Di Maria leaves, we are left with Young and Memphis as our only out and out wingers.

Add that to the fact Di Maria is actually world class and we're not broke, I don't see any reason for the club to want him gone.
 
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