Ángel Di María | Transferred to PSG

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Mali_Zeus said:
My point is he didnt complain and he put up with it. Although of course he loves to play up front.
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I don't think I heard DiMaria complain, and for all we know it hasn't been the changing of positions that has made him want to leave.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Point is it was a contributing factor to some of his poor form, doesn't mean he wasn't a bigger contributing factor, just means LVG also has to take some share of blame. As he does for some of Rooneys poor performances last season and the fact none of our strikers inlcuding Rooney scored 20+ goals
 
Cassidy said:
He was of course, but he has been dicked about. He played 6 different positions by Feb.
His performances were shit after his injury though, and I'm guessing he wasn't listening to LVGs instructions at times too.
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So he refused to listen and had a bad attitude so that sounds like it is all on him then.
 
Cassidy said:
I don't think I heard DiMaria complain, and for all we know it hasn't been the changing of positions that has made him want to leave.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Point is it was a contributing factor to some of his poor form, doesn't mean he wasn't a bigger contributing factor, just means LVG also has to take some share of blame. As he does for some of Rooneys poor performances last season and the fact none of our strikers inlcuding Rooney scored 20+ goals
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Maybe he didnt complain but it sure seemed he doesnt like to be at United.
LVG shouldnt have change his position so much but ADM just decided to throw a towel after one bad season instead of proving himself in United and PL.
 
JustAFan said:
So he refused to listen and had a bad attitude so that sounds like it is all on him then.
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I said I'm guesing, tbh I really don't know. None of us know. Di Maria isn't the only player LVG seems to have fallen out with. Just go and read what Rafael wrote in his farewell letter, or some of the unsavory things that has seemed to go on between him and RVP and Valdes.
Fact is we don't know, all we know if that he performed poorly, he got burgled, his wife wants to move, and he has decided he wants out of United.
Dude is a little bitch if you ask me, but that doesn't mean I don't look at how certain things panned out and think could LVG have handled that better.
 
For long enough I was in denial and didn't want the club to let him leave but the more I think of it im glad they have as it was plain to see he completely lost his enthusiasm somewhere around the time where arsenal knocked us out of the fa cup. I did notice it at the time but just didn't want to believe it. I guess it was nothing to do with him lacking physicality or any form of abillity as for the first ten games or so alot of us didn't know how we would be able to function. I guess it was all down to a plain lack of interest.
 
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Mali_Zeus said:
Maybe he didnt complain but it sure seemed he doesnt like to be at United.
LVG shouldnt have change his position so much but ADM just decided to throw a towel after one bad season instead of proving himself in United and PL.
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I understand your pissed, so am I.
However if you listen to some of the things LVG said before the end of last season, I am guessing:

1. The fact his family don't want to be here after the burgelry is a big factor
2. The fact the manager doesn't exactly trust him (believe in him) is a big factor
3. Yes his is also a little bitch
 
Cassidy said:
Not really he played as a striker when he came back from injury and then at no10.
Like I said he has alot to answer for himself, but pre injury he was playing well then after injury we decided to play him in a couple of unfamilair posititions also at a time when the team itself was struggling.
Like I said I'm not absolving him of any fault, his performances were rubbish for one, and he has chosen to take the easy root out for 2.
However its almost as if everyone wants to act like LVG didn't have a part to play in any of this at all, when he clearly did.
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He played one game as a "striker" and it looked to be a very free role to me. He certainly wasn't leading the line in any kind of a conventional way.

Every time a player flops you can argue that the manager is at least partly responsible. If nothing else because he agreed to sign him! I don't think anyone would exonerate Van Gaal entirely. I'm not. I just think Di Maria himself takes the lion's share of the blame. I also don't think he's actually a really top tier player. Which is certainly not his fault but reflects very badly on the eejits who made him the most expensive signing in the history of the Premier League.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He played one game as a "striker" and it looked to be a very free role to me. He certainly wasn't leading the line in any kind of a conventional way.

Every time a player flops you can argue that the manager is at least partly responsible. If nothing else because he agreed to sign him! I don't think anyone would exonerate Van Gaal entirely. I'm not. I just think Di Maria himself takes the lion's share of the blame. I also don't think he's actually a really top tier player. Which is certainly not his fault but reflects very badly on the eejits who made him the most expensive signing in the history of the Premier League.
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I agree with you, and haven't said anything otherwise. All I said is that LVG has to take some blame, esp for dicking him about a bit.
 
Borys said:
Is it possible we sold enough Di Maria shirts to cover the loss of 15m? Maybe we just paid his wages after all.
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Well maybe but one think everyone is forgeting is that the 9/10 people who bought Di Maria shirt would probably still bought a shirt even if we wouldn't sign Di Maria, they would just went with the other player. I trully hate when Real Madrid fans start to talk how much they earned with shirt sales of their new shiny toys.
The total number of shirts which were sold is important.
For example i bought Di Maria shirt but if we wouldn't bought him i would go with Rooney or Falcao shirt so the outcome for the club is the same.
 
Cassidy said:
Lets analyse Rooneys last 3 season, his output and quite a few of his performances were not up to scratch, the excuse we use for him is that he is being played out of position, but when its used for someone else then its not valid?
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Most said that di Maria needed to be played consistently in the same position(rightly as a criticism to LVG) and that this season would be his real chance to prove himself. Except he's running off at the first chance. The rest of our players seem to have the right attitude - I'll do whatever is best for the team - and we need that at the club more than a 'Galactico' who thinks they're above it all.
 
Cassidy said:
I understand your pissed, so am I.
However if you listen to some of the things LVG said before the end of last season, I am guessing:

1. The fact his family don't want to be here after the burgelry is a big factor
2. The fact the manager doesn't exactly trust him (believe in him) is a big factor
3. Yes his is also a little bitch
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All good points.
 
shabadu84 said:
Most said that di Maria needed to be played consistently in the same position and that this season would be his real chance to prove himself. Except he's running off at the first chance. The rest of our players seem to have the right attitude - I'll do whatever is best for the team - and we need that at the club more than a 'Galactico' who thinks they're above it all.
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Lets get real, we don't know what LVG said to him, and every presser when I have heard LVG speak about him, I don't get the feeling LVG trusts or has faith in him.
 
Cassidy said:
Lets get real, we don't know what LVG said to him, and every presser when I have heard LVG speak about him, I don't get the feeling LVG trusts or has faith in him.
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Well, the same could have been said of Herrera or Mata - both seemed to be on the outside looking in for much of the first half of the season. He never spoke highly of them and dropped them regularly. But they clearly continued to work hard in practice and took their chance when it came. Di Maria looked like he quit on the team long before the end of the season. For me, that's unforgivable and LVG is right to get rid.

And yes, some of this is LVG's making but that conviction and self-belief is what we want in a manager, not someone who bends over to every superstar's whim.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Not really all that different though. He's consistently been picked in advanced positions, both wide and through the middle, with a view to creating and scoring goals. All of which should be familiar to him from the positions he's played in his career so far.

Andy Mitten wrote an article where he said that he'd heard that Di Maria was given freedom to express himself by Van Gaal that he didn't allow any other player in the squad. Which would, in part, explain the total lack of defensive effort from Di Maria whatever position he played in. Add to that his habit of taking pot-shots from here, there and everywhere and he looked like a player who felt he could do whatever the feck he wanted. Just a pity he did it so badly.
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He would have been hanged if he did the latter at Real Madrid especially with Ronaldo around. I still don't understand where all that shooting from anywhere came from. I don't think LVG was happy with it.

I assumed when we signed him that we finally getting a winger with a end product who is hard working also. He couldn't be arsed most of the time.
 
shabadu84 said:
Well, the same could have been said of Herrera or Mata - both seemed to be on the outside looking in for much of the first half of the season. He never spoke highly of them and dropped them regularly. But they clearly continued to work hard in practice and took their chance when it came. Di Maria looked like he quit on the team long before the end of the season. For me, that's unforgivable and LVG is right to get rid.

And yes, some of this is LVG's making but that conviction and self-belief is what we want in a manager, not someone who bends over to every superstar's whim.
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I don't deal in that sort of speculation, as that is not what I saw, when he came on as a sub in games he played. He didn't refuse to play. Sometimes ok, sometimes a bit poor, sometimes well. He didn't get on that much and hardly played after the FA cup game, another time where he seemed to show he cared and showed a bit of passion (even if it was misdirected)

There is a lot of hate going around here it seems and people seem to be jumping to all sorts of conclusions etc, body language experts and all of that.

I don't think its fair to do character assasination without basis, we're not Real Madrid.

It didn't work out, hes now left. Its a shame as hes a terrific player, couldn't care less about him now, but I will now remember him for some little moments of magic he did produce whilst he was here.
 
Cassidy said:
I don't deal in that sort of speculation, as that is not what I saw, when he came on as a sub in games he played. He didn't refuse to play. Sometimes ok, sometimes a bit poor, sometimes well. He didn't get on that much and hardly played after the FA cup game, another time where he seemed to show he cared and showed a bit of passion (even if it was misdirected)

There is a lot of hate going around here it seems and people seem to be jumping to all sorts of conclusions etc, body language experts and all of that.

I don't think its fair to do character assasination without basis, we're not Real Madrid.

It didn't work out, hes now left. Its a shame as hes a terrific player, couldn't care less about him now, but I will now remember him for some little moments of magic he did produce whilst he was here.
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It's what a lot of other people saw. It was obvious at the time tbf. Even more so with hindsight.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's what a lot of other people saw. It was obvious tbf.
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Yeah it was also obv with RVP when Moyes was here too.. If we remove emotion and assess it objectively there is very little evidence.
 
The cnut was talking about going to PSG as far back as November. Hindsight is 20/20 but this was on his mind long before the burglary and being dropped.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/11/17/angel...ransfer-and-talks-up-future-psg-move-4951296/

Speaking to French broadcaster Telefoot, Di Maria added: ‘Playing in the French league would please a lot of players.

‘Now I’m in the English league. But you never know, there is a lot of movements in football. You can never predict where you’re going to play.

‘It could have been a good experience to go to Paris.

‘I know I’m still young, perhaps I’ll go to PSG one day. I don’t know how it will all end.’
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Pogue Mahone said:
What sort of "evidence" are you looking for?
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None, like I said I don't deal in that sort of speculation. He was a sub, and when called upon to play as a sub he came on and played. Sometimes he produced an assist or 2, sometimes he didn't play well. Now some can say he didn't play well because he couldn't be asked, some will note that it could also be possible that playing 15/20 mins at the end of a game doesn't give you time to get into the game and show your stuff.

So like I said its inconclusive in my eyes. If he wasn't turning up to training, or refused to come off the bench and play etc then I would say ok he clearly wasn't trying to put in any effort.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The same "body language experts" who deduced that Di Maria was unhappy at United? Almost as though you can't dismiss all that stuff out of hand, right?
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A stopped clock, etc. For every transfer rumour/body language analysis/vague misinterpretable quote that ends up looking prophetic in the end, there are at least 10 that don't, that everyone instantly forgets about. You can, and should dismiss it 99% of the time.
 
Of course van Gaal takes part of the blame. You don't buy a £50m player who became a £50m player and then realize that you have no position to play him in because you actually don't fancy him all that much in the position he's the best in (free roaming central midfielder) and would rather play him in a position in which he's not a £50m player at all (winger). Di Maria hasn't come close to giving his all on the wing and a lot of the blame lies with him but let's not completely overlook the fact that van Gaal hasn't really handled him very well. I understand how he might not consider him a proper midfielder for this system, he probably isn't, but he should have realized that before we decided to pay PL record fee.
 
Sarni said:
Of course van Gaal takes part of the blame. You don't buy a £50m player who became a £50m player and then realize that you have no position to play him in because you actually don't fancy him all that much in the position he's the best in (free roaming central midfielder) and would rather play him in a position in which he's not a £50m player at all (winger). Di Maria hasn't come close to giving his all on the wing and a lot of the blame lies with him but let's not completely overlook the fact that van Gaal hasn't really handled him very well. I understand how he might not consider him a proper midfielder for this system, he probably isn't, but he should have realized that before we decided to pay PL record fee.
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You do realise this whole "LVG didn't play him in his rightful position" thing is a myth right? he was given an advanced free role in the team which is why in his best performances he was basically coming from every angle.
 
Roman Bellic said:
You do realise this whole "LVG didn't play him in his rightful position" thing is a myth right? he was given an advanced free role in the team which is why in his best performances he was basically coming from every angle.
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It's not a myth at all. He played him in his best position a handful of times, followed by dicking about with him as a striker, on the left wing, on the right wing, followed by him eventually being dropped after injuries.

I've little to no sympathy for Di Maria, clearly he doesn't want to be here and that's that, but I do think it's easy to just place all blame on him last season when it's not really warranted. He was unlucky with injuries and our manager managed him very, very badly, for the most part.
 
Roman Bellic said:
You do realise this whole "LVG didn't play him in his rightful position" thing is a myth right? he was given an advanced free role in the team which is why in his best performances he was basically coming from every angle.
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That's how I see it too. His starting position varied - and he often changed positions during a game - but he seemed to have the most freedom of any player out there. And that was consistent throughout the season.
 
Cina said:
It's not a myth at all. He played him in his best position a handful of times, followed by dicking about with him as a striker, on the left wing, on the right wing, followed by him eventually being dropped after injuries.

I've little to no sympathy for Di Maria, clearly he doesn't want to be here and that's that, but I do think it's easy to just place all blame on him last season when it's not really warranted. He was unlucky with injuries and our manager managed him very, very badly, for the most part.
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The Di Maria i watched last season was terrible in every position he played, granted his performances worsened during the second half of the season but that is due to LVG prioritising a top 4 finish over every individual, the whole team was crazy during that period....we were trying everything.

Unless you're trying to tell me World Class players magically turn to tissue paper when they are being played out of position, i don't think this would significantly affect a World Class player's impact on a team, he wouldn't exactly be WC but he won't be last season's AdM either.

Ofcourse I'm not trying to put all the blame on him, i just think that post i was replying to was over-simplifying the situation.
 
I knew he was thin but jesus christ look at those legs. I'm surprised they weren't snapped during his time in the Premier League.
 
Roman Bellic said:
The Di Maria i watched last season was terrible in every position he played, granted his performances worsened during the second half of the season but that is due to LVG prioritising a top 4 finish over every individual, the whole team was crazy during that period....we were trying everything.

Unless you're trying to tell me World Class players magically turn to tissue paper when they are being played out of position, i don't think this would significantly affect a World Class player's impact on a team, he wouldn't exactly be WC but he won't be last season's AdM either.

Ofcourse I'm not trying to put all the blame on him, i just think that post i was replying to was over-simplifying the situation.
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He was very good for the first two months of the season before his injury, so that's harsh. I've no idea why, post-injury, LvG used him as a striker. It was a truly baffling call, and unsurprisingly he played poor there and that's where everything went to shite with him.

Like I said, he can feck off to PSG, I don't particularly care at this stage, but I think LvG did a really poor job with him. You don't spend that much money on a player you say you need and then have no idea how to utilize him.
 
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