Álvaro Morata | Performances

AXVnee7 said:
The PL fixtures thread is too long to trawl through the comments, but here's a couple from the last couple of pages:
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I see nothing wrong with those comments tbh. Personally I dont really care about players who are not playing for Utd but wishing a talented player to do well as long as his success doesnt impact Utd doesnt bother me.

On the other hand, trawl through the previous few pages of this thread and you find heaps declaring him a flop after 25 min in a glorified friendly. That kind of tribalism never appealed to me.
 
Raoul said:
I think Morata is slightly better than Lukaku. Not only do last year's numbers in terms of goals per game bear that out, but the numbers were accrued whilst Morata was largely a sub. Give him a whole year as the main starter and he will be become one of the world's elite strikers. 35-40 goals should be his target.
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I can't see it tbh. Yes I agree he is going to be a success at Chelsea, but we'll have to wait and see on the goals.

I think overall, he's better suited to playing with another striker. He'd have been a fantastic partner for Rashford, whereas Lukaku will dominate defenses on his own.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
I see nothing wrong with those comments tbh. Personally I dont really care about players who are not playing for Utd but wishing a talented player to do well as long as his success doesnt impact Utd doesnt bother me.

On the other hand, trawl through the previous few pages of this thread and you find heaps declaring him a flop after 25 min in a glorified friendly. That kind of tribalism never appealed to me.
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Yes you almost definitely will. As I said earlier we should recognise his talent when he plays well. But I don't understand hoping he does well.

If he is successful then he will impact United. Indirectly at the least, seeing as Chelsea (despite today's loss) should finish in the top few places of the league.
 
He's a good player, people who've seen enough of him know he's always had tools there to be one of the best strikers in the league if he puts it all together consistently.
 
Can't believe people want him to do well. It's like he's the new Welbeck on here, except he never even played for us in the first place.
 
Raoul said:
I think Morata is slightly better than Lukaku. Not only do last year's numbers in terms of goals per game bear that out, but the numbers were accrued whilst Morata was largely a sub. Give him a whole year as the main starter and he will be become one of the world's elite strikers. 35-40 goals should be his target.
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He starts ahead because he was surrounded by better players all his time and learnt the trade at the highest level. Lukaku seems more determined to make an impact though. All in all, Morata has the higher ceiling but Lukaku will be more consistent and, for the league, Lukaku is better to have imho.
 
Raoul said:
I think Morata is slightly better than Lukaku. Not only do last year's numbers in terms of goals per game bear that out, but the numbers were accrued whilst Morata was largely a sub. Give him a whole year as the main starter and he will be become one of the world's elite strikers. 35-40 goals should be his target.
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Using that logic, if Giroud was the main striker for Arsenal he'd be a 30+ player. His goals per minute ratio last season in the Premier League was a goal every 100 minutes and he started just 11 games. Morata scored a goal every 89 minutes and started 14 league games. So Morata was slightly better in a much more productive team.

We've already seen with Giroud as a starter that it's not quite that simple for all sorts of reasons.

Fancy a $100 bet that Morata doesn't score 35+?
 
BennyBlanco said:
He's a good player, people who've seen enough of him know he's always had tools there to be one of the best strikers in the league if he puts it all together consistently.
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Yes. But the mentality, the nastiness, ruthlessness as a forward is what he missed. That article few pages back summarized it perfectly.
 
AXVnee7 said:
If he is successful then he will impact United. Indirectly at the least, seeing as Chelsea (despite today's loss) should finish in the top few places of the league.
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Not really, we should be aiming to dominate the league irrespective of other teams's performance. Torres couldnt help Pool pipping us in 09 and Aguero wasn't the reason we lost the league in 12.

I'm all for a stronger league with star players in different teams performing. For far too long the PL has been a midden heap where the least shit wins instead of the best of a great bunch.
 
AXVnee7 said:
Pogba got stick left, right and centre last season. I don't think there's been a more criticized player in recent memory.

Also you have the right to act however you wish. I didn't say you can't, I just don't understand it that's all. I'm not saying you have to wish him to be bad, but I don't understand wanting him to excel because he's gotten 'stick' off a few fans.
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I don't want him to go ahead and score 20 goals a season now. I just thought it was nice in a game which was already lost to see him score a goal after all the stick he received from United fans, for simply not joining their club.
 
Starting regularly is different than coming in as a sub against tired defences. I think he'll be fine though. 20 goals I reckon.
 
Brwned said:
Using that logic, if Giroud was the main striker for Arsenal he'd be a 30+ player. His goals per minute ratio last season in the Premier League was a goal every 100 minutes and he started just 11 games. Morata scored a goal every 89 minutes and started 14 league games. So Morata was slightly better in a much more productive team.

We've already seen with Giroud as a starter that it's not quite that simple for all sorts of reasons.

Fancy a $100 bet that Morata doesn't score 35+?
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He may not reach 35 depending on circumstances (injuries/suspensions etc), but the quality is definitely there.

Giroud is a completely irrelevant matter here.
 
Brwned said:
Using that logic, if Giroud was the main striker for Arsenal he'd be a 30+ player. His goals per minute ratio last season in the Premier League was a goal every 100 minutes and he started just 11 games. Morata scored a goal every 89 minutes and started 14 league games. So Morata was slightly better in a much more productive team.

We've already seen with Giroud as a starter that it's not quite that simple for all sorts of reasons.

Fancy a $100 bet that Morata doesn't score 35+?
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Raoul said:
He may not reach 35 depending on circumstances (injuries/suspensions etc), but the quality is definitely there.

Giroud is a completely irrelevant matter here.
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Bet dodged!!
 
Raoul said:
I think Morata is slightly better than Lukaku. Not only do last year's numbers in terms of goals per game bear that out, but the numbers were accrued whilst Morata was largely a sub. Give him a whole year as the main starter and he will be become one of the world's elite strikers. 35-40 goals should be his target.
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He has been very active but won't be playing always at home in a desperate mode.
I'd say a bit less than you.35(goals+assists)
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Not really, we should be aiming to dominate the league irrespective of other teams's performance. Torres couldnt help Pool pipping us in 09 and Aguero wasn't the reason we lost the league in 12.

I'm all for a stronger league with star players in different teams performing. For far too long the PL has been a midden heap where the least shit wins instead of the best of a great bunch.
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Of course, but that goes for any season. Never should United (or any of the other contenders) go into a season expecting to latch onto other teams faltering. That'd be absurd.

A stronger league isn't our responsibility. It's only our own duty to make sure we're a top team. The rest is on everyone else, and their own teams. I can understand wanting the league to get stronger on the whole, but ultimately a league win is a league win and whatever advantages befall United is the best situation. When United do eventually win the league again, no one will care how weak the league was. The headline story will be that United have won again and that's it. If everyone else puts up a terrible fight, then that's their problem and not ours.

Also there's a need to distinguish between people who you think actually want Morata to do well for the league as you may say, and those who want to be proven right over which striker we should've got between him and Lukaku.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Can't believe people want him to do well. It's like he's the new Welbeck on here, except he never even played for us in the first place.
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Agreed, but i guess some people would rather be right about a rival player than how it affects the club they support.

Internetz is serious business :rolleyes:
 
Raoul said:
What's the point in betting. We should be able to make predictions without someone challenging us to a bet. If it doesn't happen then we can refer to my posts here.
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Yes, but your imperious defence of the player on here is strange. It's like you are genuinely annoyed we all don't think he's amazing.
 
PSG got the wrong guy!

Seriously though, he played well in a dreadful Chelsea team today. 1 game lets see how he plays after 5. Even Rooney scored today and won Everton the game, maybe we should be signing him!
 
Nice goal.

He's got all the tools to be one of the best strikers in the league. I've had my doubts over his ability to be a consistent and effective goalscorer for a big club as their leading striker. Given his exploits last season and his skillset I have a feeling hell be great for Chelsea.

I hope not because if he puts it all together he could well end up being a better striker than Lukaku.
 
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