Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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I know it sounds really bad and cynical, but when I check this thread I find myself actively wanting to read that it's not happening...

I just don't think this guy is good enough to be Man Utd's main CF, and I don't think he's worth anywhere near the fees being bandied about.

If we'd already signed a first choice CF, and this guy was being brought in as back-up, I'd be willing it to happen, but as it stands, the notion of Morata being bought as first choice CF just makes me uneasy given the post-SAF years.

It just feels like a flat transfer, like my Utd spidey-senses tell me this guy ain't a Utd player.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I know it sounds really bad and cynical, but when I check this thread I find myself actively wanting to read that it's not happening...

I just don't think this guy is good enough to be Man Utd's main CF, and I don't think he's worth anywhere near the fees being bandied about.

If we'd already signed a first choice CF, and this guy was being brought in as back-up, I'd be willing it to happen, but as it stands, the notion of Morata being bought as first choice CF just makes me uneasy given the post-SAF years.

It just feels like a flat transfer, like my Utd spidey-senses tell me this guy ain't a Utd player.
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There's no class A strikers available in the market so we have to deal with the best options available. When there are Kane or Lewa available we won't be talking Morata or Belotti.
 
el3mel said:
How the players don't leave when they want to ? :lol:
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Simple posturing from him to make us pay what they want. To tell you the truth they have us by the balls on this one and we will have to pay over the odds for morata .
 
Maradona10 said:
Simple posturing from him to make us pay what they want. To tell you the truth they have us by the balls on this one and we will have to pay over the odds for morata .
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I think the whole quote means nothing really, even if he wants to force us to overpay he can say that to Ed in the phone. It's just an ordinary public quote that any chairman will say anyway but I find this part funny, that the players don't leave when they want to, so he's going to force them to stay ? :lol:
 
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el3mel said:
There's no class A strikers available in the market so we have to deal with the best options available. When there are Kane or Lewa available we won't be talking Morata or Belotti.
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I just don't buy this, mate.

You make players available when you're in our situation (shit-loads of money and a need to improve), and you do it by paying over the odds for top players.

If Pogba is worth 90m then, for example, Kane is easily worth 150m, so just fecking bid it instead of dicking about spending 70-80m on players like Morata, which is more crazy imo.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I just don't buy this, mate.

You make players available when you're in our situation (shit-loads of money and a need to improve), and you do it by paying over the odds for top players.

If Pogba is worth 90m then, for example, Kane is easily worth 150m, so just fecking bid it.
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First, we don't make the player available, the player may even not want to play for you, and the selling club may even not be willing to sell to you from the start. It's not just about bidding.

Second, 150m is about a whole summer budget, so it's not wise to spend your whole summer budget on one player when the remaining of your squad needs multiple additions in other places. These kind of money is paid when you have a great squad and wants to strengthen it, like what Madrid is going to pay for Mbappe even if it's their only summer signing. Remember that when we got Pogba for 90m, we have bought another player for free ( Zlatan ) and this won't happen this summer.
 
if people are really buying into these perez comments. Please go read all 1000+ pages from the pogba thread, especially the Marotta quotes, then log off the forum because you will be baited by anything. :lol:
 
I hope we do all Real Madrid-related business in this deal itself (James/Bale, de Gea etc) because I don't want to see their fecking mugs for a long time. Worse than Levy, this lot. Don't have the decency to let their player enjoy his honeymoon too.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
More about the divide in quality between the top La Liga teams and other teams in the league compared to the PL. You look at RM's results this season and it is very predictable, they drew with Eibar, Las Palmas (twice) and lost points to Valencia which is probably as close to a 'shock' as they had.

This divide is evident is you look at salary surveys across the leagues (global sports salaries does a good one). For example, for the 2015/2016 season Burnley's average salary per annum per player was £950,000 which was the lowest of all PL teams. In La Liga this would put them as the 8th highest paying club behind R Sociedad. Contrast that to poor old Leganes, whose average salary per player was a meager £270,000 and you see a big difference.

In short, stats are warped because the PL has less whipping boys nowadays than La Liga.
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Come on, Higher wage bill doesn't necessarily mean superior team. United has almost the same wage bill as RM for example, but are we as good as RM? Certainly not.

Look at how Celta Vigo played against us in the europa, especially in the second leg, they absolutely ran circles around us but they finished 11th in the spanish league.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I wouldn't be surprised if it's done behind the scenes and this part is just Madrid stretching it out to make it look like they got the best price etc.

They'd look like mugs letting him go easily and not getting DDG. They're all about politics and it's all games. So yeah, I imagine it's just the period of vanity, making themselves look like they're taking United to the cleaners

Then again I said similar about Griezmann...
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This.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I know it sounds really bad and cynical, but when I check this thread I find myself actively wanting to read that it's not happening...

I just don't think this guy is good enough to be Man Utd's main CF, and I don't think he's worth anywhere near the fees being bandied about.

If we'd already signed a first choice CF, and this guy was being brought in as back-up, I'd be willing it to happen, but as it stands, the notion of Morata being bought as first choice CF just makes me uneasy given the post-SAF years.

It just feels like a flat transfer, like my Utd spidey-senses tell me this guy ain't a Utd player.
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Wazza is that you?
 
He has similar stats to ibra and kane, he better than martial and rashford and people are still posting

"he's not good enough, he should only be the back up to a big name" :lol::lol:

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"I don't think we're in negotiations with Manchester United"

Sound like they are actually. If there's no contact or offers, why would he say like that? They just want more money. Normal to talk bullshit and try to raise fee. Nobody is going anywhere and next week they will be sold... Specially if Juve's Marotta says something like this, it means they are finalizing deal. :)

Im not excited about Morata but i think it's on.
 
If there's one thing we know about Perez it's that he's a lying piece of shit.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
If there's one thing we know about Perez it's that he's a lying piece of shit.
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Juve CEO told the media multiple times that he hadn't even spoken to MUFC about pogba, at the same time Di Marzio was giving us near hourly updates on the Raiola agent demands and trying to work out the fee's for three parties. :lol::lol:
 
I just hope mou has a plan B, C or whatever for striker. Whoever we go for it does look like we're going to be bled for money this window. :(
 
After reading into Perez's quotes, this cnut is a lying fecker and all he wants is more money as he doesn't give a shit about what players want he looks like he wants 90m which is too much IMO, hope we never do business with those Madrid cnuts.
 
minoo-utd said:
After reading into Perez's quotes, this cnut is a lying fecker and all he wants is more money as he doesn't give a shit about what players want he looks like he wants 90m which is too much IMO, hope we never do business with those Madrid cnuts.
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90m is a price for a proven world class starter in his prime. Ed wont pay that. Morata will have to force the issue. 70 m is already inflated aand more than double of the buy back clause they got him back for.
 
Hanky panky said:
"I don't think we're in negotiations with Manchester United"

Sound like they are actually. If there's no contact or offers, why would he say like that? They just want more money. Normal to talk bullshit and try to raise fee. Nobody is going anywhere and next week they will be sold... Specially if Juve's Marotta says something like this, it means they are finalizing deal. :)

Im not excited about Morata but i think it's on.
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I'm hoping we are in for Mbappe and Morata is a bit of a back up plan. We may be with holding bidding as Madrid may not have the cash for Mbappe to bid up front like we could be doing and Ed is not wanting to jeopardise Jose main target by feeding a rival the means to enter the bidding. Perhaps a little game of cat and mouse is happening I really don't know.
We may not have a strong a team as Madrid but we are stronger financially so it maybe us holding the deal up for this reason.

(I'm just guessing like everyone else but I'm fed up with United getting painted as blundering when in fact our transfer business was good last year and the year before in the sense Ed got the deals over the line, forget all this Madrid decided against Pogba or Pogba chose us because he was a Manchester youth the fact is we blew Madrid out the water with wages and transfer fee and they could not compete however it is painted).
 
Lawman said:
I'm hoping we are in for Mbappe and Morata is a bit of a back up plan. We may be with holding bidding as Madrid may not have the cash for Mbappe to bid up front like we could be doing and Ed is not wanting to jeopardise Jose main target by feeding a rival the means to enter the bidding. Perhaps a little game of cat and mouse is happening I really don't know.
We may not have a strong a team as Madrid but we are stronger financially so it maybe us holding the deal up for this reason.

(I'm just guessing like everyone else but I'm fed up with United getting painted as blundering when in fact our transfer business was good last year and the year before in the sense Ed got the deals over the line, forget all this Madrid decided against Pogba or Pogba chose us because he was a Manchester youth the fact is we blew Madrid out the water with wages and transfer fee and they could not compete however it is painted).
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Yeah but i dont think we can afford to risk 130 m on mbappe who has never played in england and fill our entire attack with youngsters with no exp but just youth. Our need is to have more developed players in attack in their prime. We already have youngsters on our hands to develop.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I know it sounds really bad and cynical, but when I check this thread I find myself actively wanting to read that it's not happening...

I just don't think this guy is good enough to be Man Utd's main CF, and I don't think he's worth anywhere near the fees being bandied about.

If we'd already signed a first choice CF, and this guy was being brought in as back-up, I'd be willing it to happen, but as it stands, the notion of Morata being bought as first choice CF just makes me uneasy given the post-SAF years.

It just feels like a flat transfer, like my Utd spidey-senses tell me this guy ain't a Utd player.
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Well, who'd you rather see us sign?
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I know it sounds really bad and cynical, but when I check this thread I find myself actively wanting to read that it's not happening...

I just don't think this guy is good enough to be Man Utd's main CF, and I don't think he's worth anywhere near the fees being bandied about.

If we'd already signed a first choice CF, and this guy was being brought in as back-up, I'd be willing it to happen, but as it stands, the notion of Morata being bought as first choice CF just makes me uneasy given the post-SAF years.

It just feels like a flat transfer, like my Utd spidey-senses tell me this guy ain't a Utd player.
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You are forgetting that Ibra was our guy, And we are forced because of his injury.
 
Why are we not interested in lacazatte though. He's every bit as proven as morata and available for a lower price
 
prtk0811 said:
Yeah but i dont think we can afford to risk 130 m on mbappe who has never played in england and fill our entire attack with youngsters with no exp but just youth. Our need is to have more developed players in attack in their prime. We already have youngsters on our hands to develop.
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Zlatan may fill that void. It really depends on how much Jose rates Mbappe. Morata maybe the fallback and we maybe have been exhausting that avenue. But Morata cutting short his honeymoon suggest we are signing him. But I'm sure if Jose asked him to Ed would have tried with Mbappe first and this could have held up the Morata transfer.
What ever the outcome I will judge once the window is shut as last year especially was a fantastic window.
 
zenith said:
Why are we not interested in lacazatte though. He's every bit as proven as morata and available for a lower price
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because jose wants Morata as his No.9 and morata has agreed personal terms with us.

Wasn't that di marzio list of strikers something along the likes of 1. Morata, 2. Belotti?
 
As everyone in spain , What morata's release clause? Or madrid are caught on this one?
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I just don't buy this, mate.

You make players available when you're in our situation (shit-loads of money and a need to improve), and you do it by paying over the odds for top players.

If Pogba is worth 90m then, for example, Kane is easily worth 150m, so just fecking bid it instead of dicking about spending 70-80m on players like Morata, which is more crazy imo.
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Kane doesn't want to leave Spurs so even if he's first choice, have to move down the list.
 
So it's £62m and it's being completed today or tomorrow? Do we have confirmation on that?
 
Is it the whole FM effect where people think all it takes is a stack of cash and we can call upon anyone we want? Players have preferences too. I don't see Kane or Mbappe choosing to move to us regardless of money this season. Maybe if Spurs tank, Poch quits, we progress loads and Kane is still doing well, Kane will evaluate a move next season. Not now though so dreaming of spunking money on him is just a waste of time.

As for Mbappe, get the feeling he really does want to go to Madrid. We can't fight that battle - specially for a kid with just half a season in Ligue 1 behind him.

Final note - Jose has seen Morata and rates him very highly. Same for Conte. Can't understand the downbeat talk about him. Frankly he looks the real deal and given that he's actively looking for a love to us, I think we should be all over this. Get it done Ed!
 
zenith said:
Why are we not interested in lacazatte though. He's every bit as proven as morata and available for a lower price
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Because he's nothing like Morata, his strengths are in different areas. It's not hard, we aren't after these players because they don't fit the type of player Mourinho wants in a forward.
 
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