this is getting dull now. just sign him or don't Jose. and by the way we still need a second goal scorer given that Morata is unlikely to better Zlatan's total so we are still short of firepower
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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I can imagine you doing it too DT
I have seen a lot of Morata games. Be rest assured, the kid is really good. Only two things to note about him.
1. He has not yet become one of those type of strikers who can take a game by the scruff of the neck and single handedly change or dictate it. He is not Drogba, Aguero or RVP. But he has a lot of potential to become one of those serious game changers.
2. He needs the right cast around him to bang in the goals.
If he has the right cast around him, he will be a hit. No doubt about that. He has charisma and attitude on the pitch. He is a good poacher. He is good in the air. He has good pace. He is comfortable with the ball at his feet and he seems to be a fighter when he needs to be one.
To be honest, my problem is Rashford. Is Jose going to be relying on Rashford as the second striker? Can Rashford push Morata to his limits? Can he threaten to take the striker's shirt from him? Can he make Morata work his socks off? Can he be the man when Morata is injured?
These are the questions that would determine if Jose would go all out for a second striker or not. And these are the questions that will determine United's next season.
Isn't this description suitable to Rashford as well apart from the "good with the head"? The he's painted, i'm even more worried that he can't create gamechanging moments like Rashford can with his pace. I don't get where the FEAR will come from with Morata in front as he is good at so many things but not exciting at any of them. Maybe i am just taking your words too literally.
I wouldn't compare Morata to Rashford. He is more experienced, more effective and generally better as at now. At his age he has played with and against the very best and he has won a lot. Rashford can have a big future but he has a long way to go.
What I meant is that Morata is not yet your Lewandowski, Aguero, Suarez or Diego Costa but he can become as good as some of them considering his potential and the opportunity he is about to get to become United's top striker.
There is no doubt that getting him is a gamble. But there are some gambles that make sense because you know your chances of making a hit is high. That's the case with Morata and I think that's why Jose is adamant on getting him.
Think about the similarity with Didier Drogba. Jose was determined to buy him from Olympic Merseille in the 2004/2005 season. Prior to then, Drogba had just had his best season as a pro footballer with the French team scoring 19 goals out of 35 and being the third best scorer in the league. Not exactly a world conquering stat. Drogba was 26 by then. But Jose pulled all the stops to get him at what was mega fee back then. Drogba had a below par first season but later exploded during his second season. The rest is history. Morata is just 24 and he has achieved more than Drogba achieved at 24. He has La Liga, Champions League, Serie A etc medals in his bag already and most pundits agree he has the potential to become great. Jose usually has an eye for such strikers (Drogba, Milito, McCarthy, etc). Like I said, it's a gamble but it looks like one that will pay off.
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Think this lad will be an absolute monster for us, he has been learning from the master (Ronaldo) with regards to finishing.
Think this lad will be an absolute monster for us, he has been learning from the master (Ronaldo) with regards to finishing.
I take it you either live in Turin or follow the Juve forums? fair enough.
Don't you find it weird that one would feel a player who has never top scored in a single season, is seen to have more potential than one who proves he has goals in him year on year, especially who scored 36 league goals that season?
The thing is, people talk about him like he is the next Raul, or better still David Villa. If he is half as good as Villa, I would be pleased.
yes!
Whatever. I've given up. Just get this guy and do it quickly.
Fairly certain this one will be wrapped up soon. Probably towards the end of next week just in time to board the plane to the States. I'm pretty relaxed about it.
Not sure why he would need to take a break from his honeymoon to be involved in the deal in Madrid. Surely its down to us to pay what Madrid want at this stage.
He may be just trying to put pressure on them to move it along quicker. It also could be bollocks and he's simply decided to go home for a few days and see family.
Has been done for weeks. Something might still go wrong though. #ITK
He might put in a transfer request thus reducing the overall cost of the transfer and helping push it through. He might also agree to a lower wage in a bid to push it through.
The key isn't Morata passing Zlatan's record. The key is the other players improving their goal scoring numbers, which was our main problem.
That is what people are failing to grasp. I think with the right service this lad can score enough goals to cover Ibra's hall but the others have to step up as well. The goal support Ibra got from others was woeful.
Correct. Aside from Messi and Ronaldo, no player can single handedly score all our goals. If Morata can consistently knock in 25+ a season he'll be a perfectly fine striker. It's players like Rashford, Martial, Mata, and Mkhitaryan that need to step it up. I won't include Lingard because he's trash and shouldn't be anywhere near our team.
You guessed it right with the second thing. Read pretty much all about Morata from his days in Turin and when he was leaving them.
They just thought he could potentially be the world class striker and lead their attack if he was given proper chance. Also, there was certainly some subjectivity with it because of that outstanding season in CL when he scored in the semi-final and final which gave him the reputation of a big game player while Higuain was seen as someone who is a choker in such games. A reputation he carries even after this season.
A thing with Morata which is unanimous with Juve and Madrid fans, even if he didn't manage to be a first choice striker, is that he could possibly develop into world-class one if he was given a proper chance. I know that for this price most of us expect someone proven enough, but even in that case, you can never get a sure thing like we have seen with Falcao and Di Maria.
The case is pretty clear, we will put our eggs in the basket for a player who can finally prove his full potential and became a world class striker or he will fail to reach it. Positive signs are that he has the skill to become one and that he is Mourinho type of striker, the worries are that he should establish himself as one so far.
Anyway, I think, in his case, it's a gamble worth to take. If we get it right, we will have a brilliant striker for a long time.
You and I have telepathic understanding on this issue.
Higuain scored in the semis, more than once this season and has scored in big domestic games no?
I just find it strange that someone who is potentially world class, is continually kept out by non world class attackers. as Lebron said it best "that don't make no sense." World class is a potential Suarez, Lewa, Villa, Eto'o level and none of these players would be kept out of any starting 11, with their world class potential. teams make space for them.
I wish I was as excited about this transfer as you guys, really hope my gut feeling is completely wrong. Ofcourse alot will depend on how well the players around him perform but I don't see anything even close to world-class in him to warrant such a price.
Tevez was kept out of our team and City team for long spells and he was extremely good. There's plenty of examples I'm sure, but if Morata ends up being as good as Tevez then happy days.
I think that Higuain before this season scored something like 2 goals in 20 CL knockout games. It was a pretty atrocious record for a player of his profile.
Many of them thought that Morata could develop into great striker or good enough to still win them Seria A which is something they are used too and seen him as someone who thrives in CL, a competition they want so bad. In other words, they've seen Morata as a big game player with much space to improve and many of them were willing to gamble on that. Of course, you could find other opinions which were more for the safer option (Higuain) but a number of people wanting him to stay, even pay more money to Real, was speaking for his qualities by itself.
Understand where you coming from and what concern you have. I'm also not sure, but the thing is you never can be. Btw. when you look Morata you are talking more about peak Torres level from Liverpool. And when we are at it, Torres with all his minutes in Atletico managed to outscore Morata's last season only once and that is by a single goal. He came in Liverpool 1 year younger but he was perfectly suited for Rafa style of play. I hope we can get the same from Morata.
Not the first time I've seen him compared to 'Liverpool' Torres. This gets me all hot and bothered.
That's the comparison I'd have too. Torres, despite having the "look" of a great talent I had my reservations when he was linked with us and then ultimately signed for Liverpool. Figured the physical nature of the league and what I perceived as not a world class first time would see him struggle. It must be noted that despite less playing time and having to share the goals with the likes of Ronaldo, Morata had a comparable (I think slightly better) scoring record than Torres.
Missed this post. Drogba comparison is a pretty good one, although he was more established at the moment of transfer as he was voted Franch player of the year by fellow professionals. But, still, that was his first great season in terms of top football and at 26 years of age as you have already said. Also, he was, as most here would like to say "no PL proven" with many questions whether he will be a success at Chelsea.
Also, when you look at his stats in Chelsea, you can see that he wasn't so prolific in terms of goals but he is undoubtedly one of the best strikers of PL. His ability to score in biggest games and also his ability to stretch other defences and allow other teammates to score more goals was vital for Chelsea success.
Something that @el3mel already mentioned when he said that key is not for Morata to reach Zlatan numbers but for others to lift their numbers because of the way he plays.
Very much on point.
We'll be paying 90m for him. Let's accept that fact, stop haggling over the price and get him.
There are definitely similarities. Morata is an athletic type of forward with excellent technique. Both very good in the air, but thrive also in open space and counter-attacking football as Morata has good sprinting speed along with his great close control with the ball.
Where Morata imo did show some signs of weakness so far, especially during his time in Italy, is that sometimes he went easily to the ground. It is something he manage to improve during his last season in Madrid but it would be even more important in EPL where other defenders will try to bully him. Because of his physicality and having Jose as a manager I think there shouldn't be problems. Maybe we would need to wait for a period of adaptation, though.
And you are right, there are reasons to be excited if we sign him. With that in mind, I would really like that we finish this deal soon.
See this is where i'm completely opposite to my views on the matic discussion. Morata is available, jose wants him and he actually solves a problem for us. He's a better all round attacker.
On paper he's as good as Zlatan in everything, only he needed half the amount of shots to score the same (ish) amount of goals.
he has his beast years ahead of him. He's big and strong.
Lets give him a chance. There is nobody else available of this sort of level.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's done behind the scenes and this part is just Madrid stretching it out to make it look like they got the best price etc.
They'd look like mugs letting him go easily and not getting DDG. They're all about politics and it's all games. So yeah, I imagine it's just the period of vanity, making themselves look like they're taking United to the cleaners
Then again I said similar about Griezmann...
The only person on that list you can compare him like for like is Zlatan. The rest are wingers and #10s.On paper he's as good as Zlatan in everything, only he needed half the amount of shots to score the same (ish) amount of goals.
he has his beast years ahead of him. He's big and strong.
Lets give him a chance. There is nobody else available of this sort of level.
There's no glaring difference in Zlatans favour on those stats though.
Yes because the Spanish league and the premier league are completely the same. The teams they both play in are exactly the same.
That stats is pretty remarkable just for Rooney. Double digits in goals + assists with the way he played must be some kind of miracle.
Quite the opposite. Morata's shot to goal ratio is significantly higher.
Couldn't understand why his shot amount was so far below zlatan's given a similar amount of games. Then it occurred to me that Ronaldo has most of the Madrid shots (god forbid you shoot when he's open).
nobody said that. We don't know how he'll translate to the English game. He could thrive as a regular starter.
Lots of people though Zlatan would flop coming to us from a markedly weaker league than Spain.
Dont think Morata would lift others numbers more than Ibra did, Ibra is a better hold and link up player, more creative and a better passer. Also a far bigger presence drawing two defenders to him.
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